On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:
> I’ve already covered it. GA’s do not produce *new elements*. They > permutate a very limited set of given elements. So a GA can produce > variations on an electric circuit. But that’s it. That’s all it can do. > Electric circuits. It can’t produce a new system of water piping. Or oil > piping. Or aquifers. Or an irrigation system. > > And even then, you need the guidance of a human programmer. > Well, I think even ordinary GOFAI can be creative. I have a GOFAI program for sale, a jazz scale generator program. You input chords and it suggests some scales that you can use for soloing. I only bring this up because more than once it appears to have invented something I did not foresee. In other words it seems to be creative. Now you are going to say just because I didn't foresee it doesn't make it creative. Well, even Turing conceded that to pass the test it need only fool somebody into believing it was a human. If it looks to me like it is creative, it's creative. > > Creativity is *new elements* m – endless generativity. > > *From:* Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:06 PM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Behold your saviour, Ben > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote: > >> PRODUCE ONE EXAMPLE of a creative algorithm. Or a creative recipe. One >> single algorithm that has produced one new element. >> >> > > I'd say the whole of evolutionary computing which subsumes all of genetic > algorithms, genetic programming, evolution strategies, evolutionary > programming etc fits that general goal. See a book called Intro to > Evolutionary Computing by Eiben Smith. Optimisation, modelling, simulation > are the results. Now you are going to counter "well, it's still narrow and > preprogrammed." But then that gets back to the problem of moving the goal > posts around in AI. It's creative given the present state of AI, does it > scale up to your expectations? Probably not at this point. But, it's > creative to an extent. I'm not here to sell you on AI, though, just to give > you an example (one fucking example that is). > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
