> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > I am actually interested in this because of the relevancy problem. > What is relevant and how do you decide if something is relevant to > some previously described topic. If some authority, like a presiding > officer, is the only one who can decide this then the authority may > base his decision on some insipid process like prejudice or > convenience. If it can be decided by a vote then the group's > prejudices and momentary purposes and fashions may interfere with good > decision making. > Jim Bromer >
Right, well as you may be aware there are a variety of ways of figuring out relevance, such as categorizations, and bayesian nets. In a parlimentary discussion it is somewhat easier, as people have to make a proper sub motion in order to address the current topic. Then it also typically needs to be seconded in order to even be discussed, expanded or voted upon. The Prez may inform the member that they may be off-topic, if for instance it doesn't find any common words between the main motion and the sub motion, or by other algorithmic means. > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > I think we have a loong way to go before we replace government officials > with AI/AGI. > First we have to have the AI/AGI learn and make a ton of mistakes before > we give it any sort of authoritative role. IMO. > ~PM > I'm more referring to presiding-officer or chair of a meeting rather than head of state. Though that is where the title of president comes from. Technically the authority would be with the secretary or Sert, who would have an archive of enacted policies. Being a chair of a meeting is a very specific role, and the presiding-officer/president isn't supposed to have an opinion or contribute to the discussion in any significant way. They are much more akin to the "speaker of the house" than a head of state, when speaking in relation to government politics. I was thinking of presidents and secretaries in terms of companies and businesses mostly, but also any kind of online community, as it could be next evolution of the forum/mailing list/BBS. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Jacky Alciné via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > Seriously. There's a shit ton of variables and situations past and present > that'd an AGI would have to consider before we'd even let it handle > legalese. Computers tend to be a little bit backwards to humans, finding the most formal things easiest, before the informal ones. Similarly legalese, business and government policies are written in a fairly regular manner, and have more consistent structure than is found in normal prose. People are willing to take courses and even go to law school in order to learn these formal languages. Thus it is more likely that they would be willing to invest the time into learning a mwak variant, which has a clear and fairly simple grammar which still allows for expressing all the same things. Today I finished up my implementation of clauses for my javascript spel parser. It supports both clause final types as found in English, and clause initial as found in Chinese. Converts between the two with ease. An "improvement" over natural language is there is an optional clause terminator, allowing a sentence to have multiple subordinate clauses for different cases. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Robert Levy via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > Yup, good old "President Executron" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGxdgNJ_lZM > lol, ya well like I said, it's more the presiding-officer type of president, rather than the head-of-state kind. Though the head-of-state president does get their title from the presiding-office role, they do a lot of other tasks as well, having their own opinions on things. Wheras a true presiding-officer president just manages meetings, in particular deliberative assemblies that make policies/rules. -- Logan Streondj > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Jacky Alciné via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Seriously. There's a shit ton of variables and situations past and >> present that'd an AGI would have to consider before we'd even let it handle >> legalese. >> >> On Sun Nov 30 2014 at 11:59:25 PM Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think we have a loong way to go before we replace government officials >>> with AI/AGI. >>> >>> First we have to have the AI/AGI learn and make a ton of mistakes before >>> we give it >>> any sort of authoritative role. IMO. >>> >>> ~PM >>> >>> >>> >>> > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:41:53 -0500 >>> > Subject: Re: [agi] Replacing Presidents and Secretaries with AI >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > To: [email protected] >>> >>> > >>> > I am actually interested in this because of the relevancy problem. >>> > What is relevant and how do you decide if something is relevant to >>> > some previously described topic. If some authority, like a presiding >>> > officer, is the only one who can decide this then the authority may >>> > base his decision on some insipid process like prejudice or >>> > convenience. If it can be decided by a vote then the group's >>> > prejudices and momentary purposes and fashions may interfere with good >>> > decision making. >>> > Jim Bromer >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Logan Streondj via AGI < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > One of the "near-term" applications for SPEL/mwak is managing, >>> > > recording and summarizing deliberative assembly, tasks traditionally >>> > > reserved to presidents, chairmans and secretaries. >>> > > >>> > > The members would interact in a chat with the Prez (president), >>> > > who would make sure they have properly formulated "motions", >>> > > and then would post them to the main room in order. >>> > > >>> > > Robert's Rules is fairly large and specific on many points, >>> > > so much of it can be implemented in such a computerized setting. >>> > > Of course any rule set or parlimentary authority could be >>> implemented. >>> > > >>> > > A benefit over traditional presidents is that it would speak all the >>> > > langauges involved with equal fluency, and provide translations for >>> > > all contents likewise. Thus it can be used for international business >>> > > and policy meetings/corporations etc. >>> > > >>> > > The Sert's (secretaries) main job is to keep an archive of current >>> > > policy and meeting minutes, which then can be queried by members, >>> > > either during or outside of a meeting. >>> > > >>> > > Of course we have to think about the current presidents, and >>> chairmans >>> > > who tend to be some of the highest paid people in an organization. It >>> > > can be marketed to them as making things easier for them, such as >>> > > translation, making sure people have properly formulated motions, and >>> > > are generally following the rules of the process. >>> > > >>> > > The current presidents and vice-presidents don't have to feel >>> > > completely obsoleted, much like how we still have drone pilots, for >>> > > instance the president may choose which of several proposed motions >>> > > will be heard next, and other decisions which they wish to maintain >>> > > under their supervision, such as overiding time constraints or other >>> > > rules at their discretion. >>> > > >>> > > Otherwise anywhere it is acceptable to follow the rules rigourously, >>> > > the prez and sert could operate fully autonomously, in the example of >>> > > online discussion forums, community documentation, and possibly even >>> > > collaborative software development. >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Logan Streondj >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------------- >>> > > AGI >>> > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> > > RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5 >>> > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------- >>> > AGI >>> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> > RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc >>> >>> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20591030-0261dc70> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18769370-bddcdfdc> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
