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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a forum > if you like. > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and let >> it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While some >> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >> >> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >> >> Regards >> Colin >> ------------------------------ >> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >> To: AGI <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >> >> I registered a free domain name >> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >> >> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello world >> web page so we can test it? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone afterwards. Doh. >>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark turns >>> out to be too hungry? >>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>> :-) >>> colin >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the domain. >>>> >>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the >>>> organization gets going. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for sale >>>>>> when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is irrelevant. >>>>>>>> I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. Wrong >>>>>>>> on both counts. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological material >>>>>>> or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. Mine is totally >>>>>>> inorganic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, it >>>>>>> has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. Pure wet >>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more interested >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my approach >>>>>>>> aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little that is is >>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has an >>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that is >>>>>>> needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can be >>>>>>> hard to >>>>>>> see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a long >>>>>>> time, >>>>>>> one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is identified >>>>>>> and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by actually >>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance against >>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or model >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified candidate >>>>>>> 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That physics may be >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If so, then all >>>>>>> activity that did not include that essential physics was actually >>>>>>> destined >>>>>>> to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to sort out. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The >>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the H-AGI >>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI risk >>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! Let's find out! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Colin Hales >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> >>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >>>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | >> Modify >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Seveland > -- Regards, Mark Seveland ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
