I'm not a web developer as such.  But I can set up Wordpress and a forum if
you like.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote:

> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and let
> it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While some
> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty!
>
> Time zone issues here. Gotta go.
>
> Regards
> Colin
> ------------------------------
> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]>
> Sent: ‎20/‎05/‎2015 11:47 AM
> To: AGI <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI)
>
> I registered a free domain name
> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK
>
> it is pointing to Mark's name servers.  Who wants to create a hello world
> web page so we can test it?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I put in a backorder and found out  igi.org t was gone afterwards. Doh.
>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark.
>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while.
>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark turns
>> out to be too hungry?
>> Leave it there for the moment.a
>> :-)
>> colin
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address
>>> [email protected].  Ask him how much he wants for the domain.
>>>
>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the
>>> organization gets going.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't buy igi.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for sale
>>>>> when I visit it.  Did someone buy it already?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Logan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote:
>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is irrelevant.
>>>>>>> I am not pushing my own at all.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. Wrong
>>>>>>> on both counts.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that
>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion.
>>>>>>> Why is it important?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it's never been done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now,
>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or
>>>>>>> technology is biology.  so what you are really talking about
>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of
>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer.
>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games.
>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological material
>>>>>> or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. Mine is totally
>>>>>> inorganic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, it
>>>>>> has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. Pure wet
>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This
>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more interested 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it clashes
>>>>>> with my own vision of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my approach
>>>>>>> aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little that is is
>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one
>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical
>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they
>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see
>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has an
>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that is
>>>>>> needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can be hard 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a long 
>>>>>> time,
>>>>>> one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner 
>>>>>> explanation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is identified
>>>>>> and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by actually
>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and including
>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance against
>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or model 
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, whatever
>>>>>> that might be).*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified candidate
>>>>>> 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That physics may be the
>>>>>> crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If so, then all
>>>>>> activity that did not include that essential physics was actually 
>>>>>> destined
>>>>>> to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to sort out. The
>>>>>> IGI, if it existed, would do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The
>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the H-AGI
>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI risk
>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! Let's find out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colin Hales
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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