I currently think there are some human human-level intelligences who know how to build most of an AGI, at least enough to get up and running systems that would solve many aspects of the AGI problem and help us better understand what, if any other aspects of the problem needed to be solved. I think the Novamente team is one example.
Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Gorelik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:42 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re[2]: [agi] Self-building AGI Ed, 1) Human-level AGI with access to current knowledge base cannot build AGI. (Humans can't) 2) When AGI is developed, humans will be able to build AGI (by copying successful AGI models). The same with human-level AGI -- it will be able to copy successful AGI model. But that's not exactly self-building AGI you are looking for :-) 3) Humans have different level intelligence and skills. Not all are able to develop programs. The same is true regarding AGI. Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:20:08 AM, you wrote: > Computers are currently designed by human-level intellitences, so presumably > they could be designed by human-level AGI's. (Which if they were human-level > in the tasks that are currently hard for computers means they could be > millions of times faster than humans for tasks at which computers already > way out perform us.) I mention that "appropriate reading and training" would > be required, and I assumed this included access to computer science and > computer technology sources, which the peasants of the middle age would not > have access. > So I don't understand your problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Gorelik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:01 AM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: [agi] Self-building AGI > Ed, >> At the current stages this may be true, but it should be remembered that >> building a human-level AGI would be creating a machine that would itself, >> with the appropriate reading and training, be able to design and program >> AGIs. > No. > AGI is not necessarily that capable. In fact first versions of AGI > would not be that capable for sure. > Consider middle age peasant, for example. Such peasant has general > intelligence ("GI" part in "AGI"), right? > What kind of training would you provide to such peasant in order to > make him design AGI? > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=71219386-c7a577
