Valentina,

Well, the "LOL" is on you.

Richard failed to add anything new to the two previous responses that each posited linguistic surface feature analysis as being responsible for generate the "feeling of not knowing" with that *particular* (and, admittedly poorly-chosen) example query. This mechanism will, however, apply to only a very tiny number of cases.

In response to those first two replies (not including Richard's), I apologized for the sloppy example and offered a new one. Please read the entire thread and the new example. I think you'll find Richard's and your explanation will fail to address how the new example might generate the "feeling of not knowing."

Cheers,

Brad

Valentina Poletti wrote:
lol.. well said richard.
the stimuli simply invokes no signiticant response and thus our brain concludes that we 'don't know'. that's why it takes no effort to realize it. agi algorithms should be built in a similar way, rather than searching.


    Isn't this a bit of a no-brainer?  Why would the human brain need to
    keep lists of things it did not know, when it can simply break the
    word down into components, then have mechanisms that watch for the
    rate at which candidate lexical items become activated .... when
     this mechanism notices that the rate of activation is well below
    the usual threshold, it is a fairly simple thing for it to announce
    that the item is not known.

    Keeping lists of "things not known" is wildly, outrageously
    impossible, for any system!  Would we really expect that the word
    "ikrwfheuigjsjboweonwjebgowinwkjbcewijcniwecwoicmuwbpiwjdncwjkdncowk-
    owejwenowuycgxnjwiiweudnpwieudnwheudxiweidhuxehwuixwefgyjsdhxeiowudx-
    hwieuhyxweipudxhnweduiweodiuweydnxiweudhcnhweduweiducyenwhuwiepixuwe-
    dpiuwezpiweudnzpwieumzweuipweiuzmwepoidumw" is represented somewhere
    as a "word that I do not know"? :-)

    I note that even in the simplest word-recognition neural nets that I
    built and studied in the 1990s, activation of a nonword proceeded in
    a very different way than activation of a word:  it would have been
    easy to build something to trigger a "this is a nonword" neuron.

    Is there some type of AI formalism where nonword recognition would
    be problematic?



    Richard Loosemore

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