I think I decided pretty quickly that I don't know any words starting with "foml".
I don't know if this is a clue On 7/28/08, Abram Demski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like you have some valid points, but I cannot help but point > out a problem with your question. It seems like any system for pattern > recognition and/or prediction will have a sensible "I Don't Know" > state. An algorithm in a published paper might suppress this in an > attempt to give as reasonable an output as is possible in all > situations, but it seems like in most such cases it would be easy to > add. Therefore, where is the problem? > > Yet, I follow your comments and to an extent agree... the feeling when > I don't know something could possibly be related to animal fear > (though I am not sure), and the second time I encounter the same thing > is certainly different (because I remember the previous not-knowing, > so I at least have that info for context this time). > > But I think the issue might nonetheless be non-fundamental, because > algorithms typically can easily report their not knowing. > > --Abram > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Brad Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> All, >> >> Here's a question for you: >> >> What does fomlepung mean? >> >> If your immediate (mental) response was "I don't know." it means you're >> not >> a slang-slinging Norwegian. But, how did your brain produce that "feeling >> of not knowing"? And, how did it produce that feeling so fast? >> >> Your brain may have been able to do a massively-parallel search of your >> entire memory and come up "empty." But, if it does this, it's >> subconscious. >> No one to whom I've presented the above question has reported a conscious >> "feeling of searching" before having the conscious feeling of not knowing. >> >> It could be that your brain keeps a "list of things I don't know." I tend >> to think this is the case, but it doesn't explain why your brain can react >> so quickly with the feeling of not knowing when it doesn't know it doesn't >> know (e.g., the very first time it encounters the word "fomlepung"). >> >> My intuition tells me the feeling of not knowing when presented with a >> completely novel concept or event is a product of the "Danger, Will >> Robinson!", reptilian part of our brain. When we don't know we don't know >> something we react with a feeling of not knowing as a survival response. >> Then, having survived, we put the thing not known at the head of our list >> of "things I don't know." As long as that thing is in this list it >> explains >> how we can come to the feeling of not knowing it so quickly. >> >> Of course, keeping a large list of "things I don't know" around is >> probably >> not a good idea. I suspect such a list will naturally get smaller through >> atrophy. You will probably never encounter the fomlepung question again, >> so >> the fact that you don't know what it means will become less and less >> important and eventually it will drop off the end of the list. And... >> >> Another intuition tells me that the list of "things I don't know", might >> generate a certain amount of cognitive dissonance the resolution of which >> can only be accomplished by seeking out new information (i.e., >> "learning")? >> If so, does this mean that such a list in an AGI could be an important >> element of that AGI's "desire" to learn? From a functional point of view, >> this could be something as simple as a scheduled background task that >> checks >> the "things I don't know" list occasionally and, under the right >> circumstances, "pings" the AGI with a pang of cognitive dissonance from >> time >> to time. >> >> So, what say ye? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brad >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
