>You will probably never encounter the fomlepung question again, so the fact >that you >don't know what it means will become less and less important and eventually it >will drop >off the end of the list.
Does it email you when this occurs? xD On 7/28/08, Eric Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact, had you asked me right away, I'd have said I don't know any > words starting with "fom". But on some reflection I was able to think > of "foment". > > Certainly there's some kind of habituation/reflex involved here, where > a word falls off in familiarity as you sound it out. I don't know > about other kinds of not knowing. :| > > > On 7/28/08, Eric Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think I decided pretty quickly that I don't know any words starting >> with "foml". >> >> I don't know if this is a clue >> >> On 7/28/08, Abram Demski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> It seems like you have some valid points, but I cannot help but point >>> out a problem with your question. It seems like any system for pattern >>> recognition and/or prediction will have a sensible "I Don't Know" >>> state. An algorithm in a published paper might suppress this in an >>> attempt to give as reasonable an output as is possible in all >>> situations, but it seems like in most such cases it would be easy to >>> add. Therefore, where is the problem? >>> >>> Yet, I follow your comments and to an extent agree... the feeling when >>> I don't know something could possibly be related to animal fear >>> (though I am not sure), and the second time I encounter the same thing >>> is certainly different (because I remember the previous not-knowing, >>> so I at least have that info for context this time). >>> >>> But I think the issue might nonetheless be non-fundamental, because >>> algorithms typically can easily report their not knowing. >>> >>> --Abram >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Brad Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Here's a question for you: >>>> >>>> What does fomlepung mean? >>>> >>>> If your immediate (mental) response was "I don't know." it means you're >>>> not >>>> a slang-slinging Norwegian. But, how did your brain produce that >>>> "feeling >>>> of not knowing"? And, how did it produce that feeling so fast? >>>> >>>> Your brain may have been able to do a massively-parallel search of your >>>> entire memory and come up "empty." But, if it does this, it's >>>> subconscious. >>>> No one to whom I've presented the above question has reported a >>>> conscious >>>> "feeling of searching" before having the conscious feeling of not >>>> knowing. >>>> >>>> It could be that your brain keeps a "list of things I don't know." I >>>> tend >>>> to think this is the case, but it doesn't explain why your brain can >>>> react >>>> so quickly with the feeling of not knowing when it doesn't know it >>>> doesn't >>>> know (e.g., the very first time it encounters the word "fomlepung"). >>>> >>>> My intuition tells me the feeling of not knowing when presented with a >>>> completely novel concept or event is a product of the "Danger, Will >>>> Robinson!", reptilian part of our brain. When we don't know we don't >>>> know >>>> something we react with a feeling of not knowing as a survival response. >>>> Then, having survived, we put the thing not known at the head of our >>>> list >>>> of "things I don't know." As long as that thing is in this list it >>>> explains >>>> how we can come to the feeling of not knowing it so quickly. >>>> >>>> Of course, keeping a large list of "things I don't know" around is >>>> probably >>>> not a good idea. I suspect such a list will naturally get smaller >>>> through >>>> atrophy. You will probably never encounter the fomlepung question >>>> again, >>>> so >>>> the fact that you don't know what it means will become less and less >>>> important and eventually it will drop off the end of the list. And... >>>> >>>> Another intuition tells me that the list of "things I don't know", might >>>> generate a certain amount of cognitive dissonance the resolution of >>>> which >>>> can only be accomplished by seeking out new information (i.e., >>>> "learning")? >>>> If so, does this mean that such a list in an AGI could be an important >>>> element of that AGI's "desire" to learn? From a functional point of >>>> view, >>>> this could be something as simple as a scheduled background task that >>>> checks >>>> the "things I don't know" list occasionally and, under the right >>>> circumstances, "pings" the AGI with a pang of cognitive dissonance from >>>> time >>>> to time. >>>> >>>> So, what say ye? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Brad >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> agi >>>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >>>> Modify Your Subscription: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> agi >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >>> Modify Your Subscription: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
