--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Mahoney wrote: > > --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> This is equivalent to your prediction #2 where connecting the output > >>> of neurons that respond to the sound of a cello to the input of > >>> neurons that respond to red would cause a cello to sound red. We > >>> should expect the effect to be temporary. > >>> > >>> I'm not sure how this demonstrates consciousness. How do you test > >>> that the subject actually experiences redness at the sound of a > >>> cello, rather than just behaving as if experiencing redness, for > >>> example, claiming to hear red? > >> You misunderstand the experiment in a very intersting way! > >> > >> This experiment has to be done on the *skeptic* herself! > >> > >> The prediction is that if *you* get your brain rewired, > >> *you* will experience this. > > > > How do you know what I experience, as opposed to what I claim to experience? > > > > That is exactly the question you started with, so you > haven't gotten anywhere. I don't need proof that I > experience things. I already have that belief programmed > into my brain. > > Huh? > > Now what are we talking about... I am confused: I was > talking about proving my prediction. I simply replied to > your doubt about whether a "subject" woudl be > experiencing the predicted effects, or just producing > language consistent with it. I gave you a solution by > pointing out that anyone who had an interest in the > prediction could themselves join in and be a subject. That > seemed to answer your original question.
You are confusing truth and belief. I am not asking you to make me believe that consciousness (that which distinguishes you from a philosophical zombie) exists. I already believe that. I am asking you to prove it. You haven't done that. I don't believe you can prove the existence of anything that is both detectable and not detectable. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
