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> El 5 jul 2017, a las 19:42, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> escribió: > > I move to reconsider (you can't, you cndan intend to move > and wait for two support. > > I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. > I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated > action though. It seems to me that despite the auction > provisions, people could auction their own property > without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact > that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction > off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) > does not work. > > "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any > player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" > from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction > provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of > the word "Owner" means someone who can control their > property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner > or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized > by rule (such as the auction provision). > > CB raises the additional argument that an auction still can be > called even if the winner cannot have the property transferred > to them. Auction is undefined. The ordinary meaning is > "a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest > bidder.". A sale cannot exist unless the property is actually > given to the winner of the auction. I have already explained that > this cannot happen. Therefore, an auction has not been called > here. > > >> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I motion to reconsider. >> >> Whether the winning bid can actually make a transfer or not shouldn't affect >> if there is actually an *auction* or not in the first place, I believe. >> >>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 AM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. >>> I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated >>> action though. It seems to me that despite the auction >>> provisions, people could auction their own property >>> without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact >>> that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction >>> off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) >>> does not work. >>> >>> "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any >>> player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" >>> from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction >>> provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of >>> the word "Owner" means someone who can control their >>> property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner >>> or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized >>> by rule (such as the auction provision). >>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 02:21 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: >>>> > The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's Auction >>>> > time. Let's go: >>>> > >>>> > Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like >>>> > withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all >>>> > actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm going >>>> > off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation for >>>> > the >>>> > Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under >>>> > which >>>> > the action would succeed or fail": >>>> > >>>> > "At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the >>>> > Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction, by >>>> > announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins." >>>> > >>>> > Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by >>>> > nobody, >>>> > so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify information >>>> > for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor" >>>> > >>>> > Therefore: >>>> > >>>> > - I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other players, >>>> > if >>>> > possible). >>>> > - I then bid a million shinies on each of them. >>>> > - I then bid one shiny on each of them. >>>> > >>>> > I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a >>>> > million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works versus >>>> > the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you >>>> > actually own. >>>> > >>>> > I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates" >>>> > >>>> > That's all. >>>> >>>> This is CFJ 3537. I assign it to V.J. Rada. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ais523 >>>> Arbitor >
