Ah, OK. All good, thank you. Enviado desde mi iPhone
> El 5 jul 2017, a las 22:35, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> escribió: > > I move to reconsider (you can't, you cndan intend to move > and wait for two support. > > I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. > I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated > action though. It seems to me that despite the auction > provisions, people could auction their own property > without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact > that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction > off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) > does not work. > > "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any > player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" > from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction > provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of > the word "Owner" means someone who can control their > property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner > or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized > by rule (such as the auction provision). > > CB raises the additional argument that an auction still can be > called even if the winner cannot have the property transferred > to them. Auction is undefined. The ordinary meaning is > "a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest > bidder.". A sale cannot exist unless the property is actually > given to the winner of the auction. I have already explained that > this cannot happen. Therefore, an auction has not been called > here. > > This was the message I sent. If it didn't work, I hereby do the above. > >> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Where did you post the reconsideration? I only find the original Judgement. >> >>> El 5 jul 2017, a las 22:19, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> escribió: >>> >>> Posting to business because each A-D post might >>> be a seperate breach. >>> >>> I already moved to reconsider and did so. You can >>> now intend to, with two support, enter the judgement >>> into Moot, which will trigger a vote. >>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I intend to motion to reconsider based on "Whether the winning bid can >>>> actually make a transfer or not shouldn't affect if there is actually an >>>> *auction* or not in the first place, I believe." >>>> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>>> >>>>> El 5 jul 2017, a las 18:34, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> escribió: >>>>> >>>>> I motion to reconsider. >>>>> >>>>> Whether the winning bid can actually make a transfer or not shouldn't >>>>> affect if there is actually an *auction* or not in the first place, I >>>>> believe. >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 AM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. >>>>>> I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated >>>>>> action though. It seems to me that despite the auction >>>>>> provisions, people could auction their own property >>>>>> without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact >>>>>> that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction >>>>>> off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) >>>>>> does not work. >>>>>> >>>>>> "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any >>>>>> player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" >>>>>> from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction >>>>>> provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of >>>>>> the word "Owner" means someone who can control their >>>>>> property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner >>>>>> or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized >>>>>> by rule (such as the auction provision). >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 02:21 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: >>>>>>> > The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's >>>>>>> > Auction >>>>>>> > time. Let's go: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like >>>>>>> > withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all >>>>>>> > actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm >>>>>>> > going >>>>>>> > off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation >>>>>>> > for the >>>>>>> > Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under >>>>>>> > which >>>>>>> > the action would succeed or fail": >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > "At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the >>>>>>> > Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction, >>>>>>> > by >>>>>>> > announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins." >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by >>>>>>> > nobody, >>>>>>> > so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify >>>>>>> > information >>>>>>> > for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Therefore: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other >>>>>>> > players, if >>>>>>> > possible). >>>>>>> > - I then bid a million shinies on each of them. >>>>>>> > - I then bid one shiny on each of them. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a >>>>>>> > million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works >>>>>>> > versus >>>>>>> > the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you >>>>>>> > actually own. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > That's all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is CFJ 3537. I assign it to V.J. Rada. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ais523 >>>>>>> Arbitor >
