One is to just say that it is poor drafting and therefore as soon as the 
currencies do not match, we do not know what is within the set and therefore 
only the bounds are known and valid.
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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Aris Merchant 
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll put a solution to that in my ruling.
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:02 PM VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The rule is pretty broken though tbh. Imagine if Alexis had decided to
>> fine me 2 pledges (which are an asset). Are 2 pledges between 1 shiny
>> and 3,000 favours?
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Madeline <j...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> And it's not even REMOTELY impossible to tell the relative value, you
>> did so
>>> yourself earlier to say 3000 favours was more than 25 shinies!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2017-11-23 10:54, VJ Rada wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Arguments: Blue Cards states "The person issuing a Blue Card must, in
>>>> the same message, announce a penalty between 1 shiny and the greater
>>>> of 25 shinies and the amount the bad sport profited from the
>>>> infraction,". It is impossible to tell whether a penalty is between an
>>>> amount in shinies and an amount not in shinies. The rule would be
>>>> incredibly hard to apply should non-shiny penalties apply, so the best
>>>> interests of the game combine with the rule's context to mandate
>>>> shinies-only penalties.
>>>> 
>>>> "E CAN additionally, in the same message, determine the distribution
>>>> of the money between Agora and the players(s) harmed"
>>>> This rule consistently uses the word "money". A synonym of "money" is
>>>> "currency". Shinies are a currency, favours are not.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Aris Merchant
>>>> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I favor this CFJ, and can judge it immediately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Aris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:49 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good, I'm glad o. This Blue Card is legal, but the penalty is not
>>>>>> effective. I call an urgent CFJ with the statement: A blue card can
>>>>>> only have a penalty imposed in shinies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alexis and PSS are and should be obviously disqualified...I bar
>>>>>> Telnaior.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:47 AM, ATMunn <iamingodsa...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I, as ADoP, initiate an election for Referee, as the office is now
>>>>>>>> interim.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2017 12:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I award myself 3,000 justice favours for successfully pointing
>> 3,000
>>>>>>>>> fingers. I resign as referee. I intend to call in the pledge, with
>>>>>>>>> agoran consent, that states "I pledge to not point fingers" (or
>>>>>>>>> similar)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I stand for election. I may have a campaign proposal later on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -o
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>> 

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