that would be cool if Alex was president, i hope his running mate
would be BRUCE DAVID!!!!!!!

free hustler for all US citizens

peace
tony

On Oct 29, 10:09 am, "Bern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ALEX BENNETT is the government??????  Gawd. WE ARE FUCKED!
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> From: "Dan in Atlanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:48 AM
> To: "AlexBennettProgram" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Socialism vs. Social Programs
>
>
>
> > But as it has been said, the Constitution is a living document.  So
> > it's meanings and interpretations changes with the times.
>
> > "Nowhere does the Constitution tell me what our society owes me, other
> > than the common defense."  -- Well it says promote the general welfare
> > too.  That's what society owes you as well.  In this day and age, it
> > includes health and education.  Or at least it should.
>
> > The Constitution does not say anything about capitalism either.  The
> > first draft of the Constitution said nothing about the right's of
> > women, yet we add amendments to it.
>
> > I think the problem you are having is that you are separating yourself
> > from the government, as if it is out to get you.  What most people
> > forget is that YOU are the government.  I am the government.  Alex
> > Bennett, and every other American is the government.  People say the
> > government is there only for corporate interests.  That's only because
> > we allowed it to happen.  We have to make it work for what is best for
> > the most Americans.
>
> > On Oct 29, 8:42 am, awaylate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I would argue that promoting the general welfare meant something very
> >> different than paying for everyone's health care. Continued
> >> recognition of new "rights" while relieving people of their own
> >> responsibilities makes children of us all, with government as the
> >> parent. People have the right to eat the bread earned by their own
> >> work, and the right to be left alone. The Constitution is actually an
> >> enumeration of "negative rights," proscribing what the Government
> >> can't do. The government can't tell me what to say. It can't tell me
> >> who to associate with, it can't keep me from owning the means of my
> >> own self-defense. Nowhere does the Constitution tell me what our
> >> society owes me, other than the common defense. The government (or
> >> the People) does not owe me a home, does not owe me sustenance, does
> >> not owe me happiness. What the government owes us all is a civil
> >> structure that allows us to take care of ourselves without having to
> >> worry about assault or oppression by others, including oppression by
> >> mob rule.
>
> >> On Oct 27, 9:38 am, Brian S Paskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > There are many items that are not in the Constitution. However, the
> >> > preamble of the Constitution does say,
>
> >> > "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
> >> > Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
> >> > common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
> >> > of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
> >> > this Constitution for the United States of America."
>
> >> > I would argue that "promote the general Welfare" covers health care.
>
> >> > --
> >> > Regards / Saluti / mit Freundlichen Grüßen,
> >> > Brian
>
> >> > #-------------------------------------------#
> >> > "La pittura è una poesia che si vede
> >> > e non si sente, e la poesia è una
> >> > pittura che si sente e non si vede."
>
> >> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]://www.paskino.com
> >> > #-------------------------------------------#
>
> >> > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Dan in Atlanta wrote:
>
> >> > > That's the issue a lot of right wingers like to fall back on.
>
> >> > > The "right" to health care is not officially in the Constitution,
> >> > > there fore it is not a right of Americans. But I say that it is, at
> >> > > the very least, a natural right; and if we need to formally put it in
> >> > > the Constitution to satisfy those people, then I say we do so.
>
> >> > > On Oct 27, 10:07 am, "Brian S. Paskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >> The Republicans, and some Democrats, do not know the difference
> >> > >> between Socialism and social programs. Even Alex says Europe has
> >> > >> Socialism. That is not exactly true. The States do not own any
> >> > >> industries, except maybe the Post, and now some banks after the
> >> > >> financial disaster of the last few months. What they do is tax
> >> > >> people's income at a higher rate to give people more social
> >> > >> programs,
> >> > >> like health care, child care and education. The question is giving
> >> > >> someone health care and education a redistribution of wealth, a sign
> >> > >> of Socialism, or a right of the people.
>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Brian (Cambridge, MA)- Hide quoted text -
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