Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in ear
mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your ear canal
to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with them and an IRiver
recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like how binaural mics as they
are little mini me things that go in your ear have an ear bud quality to
them. They don't sound as good as an actual mic you hold in your hand.
On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that
authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head
brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the
street. Lol.
Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these
things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd
love to try it.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello,
Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being
expensive.
https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html
Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are
right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to
my collection. They would be fun.
Regards,
On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A
13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk
<mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>>:
Hello Andy,
The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a
mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist
is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for
them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.
Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart
phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin
omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up
details as the above professional recording.
Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day
world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks
up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table
and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so
when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is
not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we
want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others
in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it
then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a
studio recording because it has character.
In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics
in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that
you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you
have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the
stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only
you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how
much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be
programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a
recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it
is or think how can I make the next one different.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote:
Hi again Georgina.
I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So I
need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider
picture?
Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural clip
on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a very good
bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic
and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an omnidirectional
microphone also?
It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can forget
all about other types of mics.
It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local
pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is
achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft
above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.
So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for
omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models
though.
Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture,
particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get the
whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional
microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are
easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic
omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet.
However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the
television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and detail.
The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a
particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like
imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from the mic
the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy
road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are behind the
mic.
It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If
you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a
fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really
terrible on the H6.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all.
Getting more confused as the day goes on.
The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just
the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just
about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,
I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the
attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.
Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with a
wide spread.
For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded at
my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle microphone.
Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos
I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone with a
very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so
is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas???
Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at
the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .
It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good
podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.
So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more
consideration.
Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record Bird
Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
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Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk>
To: <all-audio@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun
might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or those
birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart
shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If Andrew
wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional microphone he
requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants
that binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of
options for Andy and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end
result is that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?
There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones so
you can hear the extent of the pattern.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io
<j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote:
I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an individual
bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the
birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike
might be more likely to do this successfully.
PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big
garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend to
sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only
wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is
just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for that very
reason. 😉
John
-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering down to
the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post caused me to do
so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He wanted
to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not
going to be that wide of a field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic
although this is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a
shotgun. See this:
https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io
<j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote:
From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being
off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be the
best for ambient recordings.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky who
uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been
able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased used
from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I think that would
really do the job.
Regards,
On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io
<meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all.
I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have are the
2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.
I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue as to
which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it.
I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat
windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.
Can anyone please give me some advice.
Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option
within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was
extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the
device back to factory settings.
I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution silence to
get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples.
Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.
Andy Logue from Scotland.
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