Hello Andy, The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.
Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up details as the above professional recording. Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character. In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different. Regards, > On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io > <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: > > Hi again Georgina. > > I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So > I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a > wider picture? > > Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural > clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a > very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all > the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an > omnidirectional microphone also? > > It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can > forget all about other types of mics. > > It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my local > pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about 12 ft is > achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 > Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft. > > So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for > omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models > though. > > Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, > particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew. > > > Very best wishes. > > Andy. > > Very best wishes. > > Andy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk> > To: <all-audio@groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom > > > Hello Andy, > > If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get > the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional > microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are > easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic > omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet. > > However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the > television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and > detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one > bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is > like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from > the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you had > a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources are > behind the mic. > > It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If > you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a > fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really > terrible on the H6. > > Regards, > > > > > >> On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io >> <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> Getting more confused as the day goes on. >> >> The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's just >> the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but just >> about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width, >> >> I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the >> attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area. >> >> Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with >> a wide spread. >> >> For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded >> at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle >> microphone. >> >> >> Can you guess what is wrong with my recording? >> >> https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos >> >> I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone >> with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the River >> Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas??? >> >> Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look at >> the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube . >> >> It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good >> podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer. >> >> So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more >> consideration. >> >> Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record >> Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today by >> Gena. >> >> >> >> Very best wishes. >> >> Andy. >> >> >> >> for ----- >> >> >> Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk> >> To: <all-audio@groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >> >> >> Hello John, >> >> Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun >> might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or >> those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a >> heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If >> Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional >> microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of >> course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something >> else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is >> for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size >> stage does Andy want? >> >> There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the microphones >> so you can hear the extent of the pattern. >> >> Regards, >>> On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io >>> <j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote: >>> >>> I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an >>> individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn Chorus >>> is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a >>> stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully. >>> >>> PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a big >>> garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they tend >>> to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he >>> only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll find a dawn >>> chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden or an estate for >>> that very reason. 😉 >>> >>> John >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce >>> Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41 >>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>> >>> Hello John, >>> >>> They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering >>> down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post >>> caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want >>> ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he >>> lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found >>> that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even >>> professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this: >>> >>> https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io >>>> <j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote: >>>> >>>> From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being >>>> off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would be >>>> the best for ambient recordings. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce >>>> Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16 >>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>> >>>> Hello Andy, >>>> >>>> It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth Junky >>>> who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I >>>> haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I >>>> purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of choice. I >>>> think that would really do the job. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io >>>>> <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have >>>>> are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6. >>>>> >>>>> I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue >>>>> as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it. >>>>> >>>>> I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat >>>>> windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR >>>>> plugs. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone please give me some advice. >>>>> >>>>> Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant option >>>>> within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the recording was >>>>> extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets >>>>> the device back to factory settings. >>>>> >>>>> I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution >>>>> silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some samples. >>>>> >>>>> Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves. >>>>> >>>>> Andy Logue from Scotland. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Gena >>>> >>>> Call: M0EBP >>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Gena >> >> Call: M0EBP >> DMR ID: 2346259 >> Loc: IO83PS >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Gena > > Call: M0EBP > DMR ID: 2346259 > Loc: IO83PS > 73 > > > > > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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