I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.
Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city street? I'd love to try it. John -----Original Message----- From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46 To: all-audio@groups.io Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom Hello, Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being expensive. https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun. Regards, > On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > > Hi! > What are these bsm 9 mics? > I guess they’re really expensive in price. > /A > >> 13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk >> <mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>>: >> >> Hello Andy, >> >> The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band >> with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a >> guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to >> make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid >> polar pattern. >> >> Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a >> smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin >> omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up >> details as the above professional recording. >> >> Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day >> world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it >> picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on >> the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky >> door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the >> music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind >> filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the >> noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter >> this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which >> actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character. >> >> In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different >> mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have >> said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. >> When you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to >> narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject >> matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want >> to learn against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not >> computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to >> work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. >> Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the next one >> different. >> >> Regards, >>> On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io >>> <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: >>> >>> Hi again Georgina. >>> >>> I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So >>> I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a >>> wider picture? >>> >>> Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural >>> clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a >>> very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with >>> all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an >>> omnidirectional microphone also? >>> >>> It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can >>> forget all about other types of mics. >>> >>> It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my >>> local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about >>> 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird >>> calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about >>> 30 Ft. >>> >>> So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for >>> omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying >>> models though. >>> >>> Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, >>> particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew. >>> >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> >>> Andy. >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> >>> Andy. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk> >>> To: <all-audio@groups.io> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>> >>> >>> Hello Andy, >>> >>> If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get >>> the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional >>> microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics >>> are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a >>> dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your >>> wallet. >>> >>> However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the >>> television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and >>> detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one >>> bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is >>> like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from >>> the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you >>> had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources >>> are behind the mic. >>> >>> It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. >>> If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a >>> fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really >>> terrible on the H6. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io >>>> <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> Getting more confused as the day goes on. >>>> >>>> The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's >>>> just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but >>>> just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of >>>> width, >>>> >>>> I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see >>>> the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area. >>>> >>>> Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone >>>> with a wide spread. >>>> >>>> For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, >>>> recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right >>>> angle microphone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you guess what is wrong with my recording? >>>> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos >>>> >>>> I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone >>>> with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the >>>> River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas??? >>>> >>>> Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look >>>> at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube . >>>> >>>> It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a >>>> good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer. >>>> >>>> So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more >>>> consideration. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record >>>> Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today >>>> by Gena. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very best wishes. >>>> >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> for ----- >>>> >>>> >>>> Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <g...@gena-j.me.uk> >>>> To: <all-audio@groups.io> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello John, >>>> >>>> Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun >>>> might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or >>>> those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as >>>> a heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. >>>> If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional >>>> microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of >>>> course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something >>>> else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is >>>> for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size >>>> stage does Andy want? >>>> >>>> There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the >>>> microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>>> On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io >>>>> <j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an >>>>> individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn >>>>> Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit >>>>> suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully. >>>>> >>>>> PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a >>>>> big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they >>>>> tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so >>>>> possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. >>>>> You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small >>>>> garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉 >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina >>>>> Joyce >>>>> Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41 >>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>>> >>>>> Hello John, >>>>> >>>>> They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering >>>>> down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post >>>>> caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want >>>>> ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he >>>>> lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I >>>>> found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a >>>>> camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io >>>>>> <j.gurd=ntlworld....@groups.io> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being >>>>>> off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would >>>>>> be the best for ambient recordings. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgina >>>>>> Joyce >>>>>> Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16 >>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Andy, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth >>>>>> Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser >>>>>> MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the >>>>>> MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my >>>>>> mic of choice. I think that would really do the job. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io >>>>>>> <meikle.aiden=btinternet....@groups.io> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have >>>>>>> are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a >>>>>>> clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat >>>>>>> windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR >>>>>>> plugs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone please give me some advice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant >>>>>>> option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the >>>>>>> recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the >>>>>>> H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution >>>>>>> silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some >>>>>>> samples. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andy Logue from Scotland. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gena >>>>>> >>>>>> Call: M0EBP >>>>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>>>> 73 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gena >>>>> >>>>> Call: M0EBP >>>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Gena >>>> >>>> Call: M0EBP >>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Gena >> >> Call: M0EBP >> DMR ID: 2346259 >> Loc: IO83PS >> 73 >> >> >> >> > > > Gena Call: M0EBP DMR ID: 2346259 Loc: IO83PS 73 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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