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----- Reply message ----- From: "Adron Hall" <adronh...@gmail.com> To: <altnetseattle@googlegroups.com> Subject: Seattle ALT.NET post-mortem Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:00 pm Ditto to Eric & crew. +1. I'm all over the place these days, Ruby on Rails Meetups, Node.js and JavaScript, Python or Erlang even and the list goes on. However I'll admit I'm practically done futzing around with .NET in any meaningful way. It seems anything and everything I keep getting paid to do for .NET is a sort of stop gap until things can get bumped up to X technology - whatever it may be. It kind of reminds me of making Delphi apps somehow work with .NET Apps 6+ years ago to hold over until things could be fully ported. ...strange how all of it seems to unfold.Adron B Hall Tech Blog: http://compositecode.com Iron Foundry Project: http://www.ironfoundry.org About Me: http://compositecode.com/about Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/adron On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Justin Bozonier <darkxant...@gmail.com> wrote: +1 To Eric Lee. My take aways that I try to apply to other groups I'm a part of now:Find out what is driving the active members of the community ASAP. Find that common thread (or several) and weave the interests of most everyone together (usually behind one or two lone nuts in the group) Show everyone how to follow the lone nut(s) by doing something meaningful as a group. My fondest memories are of the Dahlia Hackathon and TDD seminar. Bobby Johnson and Chris Bilson were a couple of my favorite lone nuts. Use the group accomplishments to recruit like minded people.Would this have saved the group? I dunno and I don't know that it's important. What held us together was always just so fuzzy (fragile in retrospect given this thread) and I wish somebody could have helped align us. In the end, the only thing that could have happened did and my life is better for it. Thanks for all the fish! On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Eric Lee <saintg...@hotmail.com> wrote: Nothing lasts forever and I think Seattle’s Alt.NET group served its purpose. For a while there was an explosion of learning going on and it was a very exciting time. I don’t think that its ideas are totally mainstream now, but I do think that those of us who were involved talked them all out so that there just wasn’t anything (in the context of Alt.NET) left to learn. Our learning has moved into other areas. I know some people have abandoned the Windows platform altogether but there are a lot of us who still program mainly in .Net. Being *exclusively* .Net is pretty rare these days, though. The one thing I miss is the opportunity to get together regularly with smart Seattle hackers and maintain a sense of community. The Software Craftsmanship thing at Getty is a partial replacement for that, but they’re relatively short and not as discussion-oriented as Alt.NET used to be. Eric From: altnetseattle@googlegroups.com [mailto:altnetseattle@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ibarra Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:56 AM To: altnetseattle@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Seattle ALT.NET post-mortem Short answer? Yeah. I think Dave is right. Alt.NET in Seattle is dead, for the reasons stated below but also... I think it died a natural death. As I recall, the original idea behind Alt.NET was to discover that there were more and better ways, tools, techniques and ideas for the developer community than just what came out of Redmond. In that, I'd say Alt.NET was a huge success. I don't know of any of us who were originally involved with Seattle's Alt.NET group who still codes exclusively for .NET (if at all). Many of us use and contribute to OSS tools and projects. So what now? Following the many smart folks I've met through Alt.NET on twitter, and many others since has been my main method of keeping in touch. I really enjoyed the monthlies for a while, until people stopped showing up and nobody knew what to talk about. Then it got really boring and sad. I don't know if I can say Alt.NET has been subsumed by the Software Craftsmanship meetup, but it seems to fill that void for some. If that's the case, I'm glad. Getty Images' has been hosting the meetups since May and I've been really happy with the turn out. The name might be a sort of misnomer, though. I'm not sure. But the idea is to connect developers in the community with the goal of getting better and better at what we do. What that will look like a few months from now is hard to tell. We're having a meetup this Thursday by the way...http://www.meetup.com/seattle-software-craftsmanship/events/83575352/ Anyway, that's my 2cents. Mike On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Ian Davis <ian.f.da...@gmail.com> wrote: For me, twitter and app.net have taken over from the mailing list. Spider webs of information linking between people and pop up on my feed. I no longer use RSS because if it is worth hearing about, someone seems to be talking about it. Blogs are still important, but I hear about their content differently. As for the group and meetings, I don't live in Seattle, so I can't really comment on that part. -Ian On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Dave Foley <davidmfo...@gmail.com> wrote: This group, despite having a number of very smart people and some of the best programmers I know, has withered to the point that it contains only a few announcements and some job spam that the moderators delete periodically. The monthly meetups are a thing of the distant past. Basically, the group is dead. What happened to it? Did it go mainstream? Are the ideas of ALT.NET so accepted at most organizations that this group is unnecessary? Did we all just leave for non-.NET technologies? Did disgust with webforms and the like lead to the abandonment of Windows altogether? Was it subsumed by Software Craftsmanship or some other "movement"? Did it just get boring?-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Seattle area Alt.Net" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/altnetseattle/-/5HDGdNhinAMJ. To post to this group, send email to altnetseattle@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to altnetseattle+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/altnetseattle?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Seattle area Alt.Net" group. 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