What about having some ordened UI that can be reviewed later on by them ? It will take less time for those ppl and make us have less negative response too imo. If you wanna sound somewhat "professional" this wouldn't hurt and they'd might take you more serious. I found out a KDE HIG is in teh works by teh OpenUsability crowd, and as it's kind of the same community behind it, it might be much like the Gnome HIG but implemented in QT :)
Karel. Op vr, 05-05-2006 te 08:25 -0500, schreef Lee Olson: > On 5/5/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wow, cool, that would be just perfect! I think someone will need to help > > them get exactly what we need, who wants to work with them ? are we going > > to use openusability ? > > I think we should register our project with OpenUsability. It's a > good way to contact usability experts, and also a good way to show > that the aMSN project is one that cares about its users. > > I can help, but not for a week or two. > > ~Lee > > > > > KKRT > > > > > > On Thu, 04 May 2006 21:38:43 -0400, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 04 May 2006 10:51, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > >> Not sure about what to think about all that, but I just want to comment > > >> on > > >> the fact that those 'professionals' wrote that as a guideline for > > >> generic > > >> apps, they didn't do it having amsn in mind, so you shouldn't think of > > >> their *guidelines* as being true at 100%, keep an open mind... > > >> > > > http://openusability.org/ > > > AFAIK this is a group of experts that look at open source projects and > > > give > > > you input on how to improve your GUI. Why not try to submit aMSN to > > > them? It > > > would be better than bunch of us trying to intepret a document on > > > usability. > > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:43:28 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > OK, here I go again; In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN > > >> that > > >> > needs menus, we'reworking on files. The first menu should be about > > >> the > > >> > "object" you work on in that particular window. In a > > >> > word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this > > >> menu > > >> > is called "File". In a chatwindow, you're "working" on chats. So, > > >> imo, > > >> > following guidelines written by professionals [1], it should be called > > >> > "Chat". > > >> > You say "it should be called 'save as ...' but this is up to the > > >> > translator. Now in Dutch, and I guess you translated this ;), it's > > >> > "save as a file", which sounds very clear in a "Chat" menu. > > >> > When you press "close" you are not closing any file. You close a > > >> chat! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > You say "my action menu is about changing something to the chat". All > > >> > but the first item in there is about interaction with you contact so > > >> I > > >> > don't see why it's not a bout contact. It's just natural language > > >> > "Contact -> send nudge" and it's kind of clear you are going to send a > > >> > nudge to that contact. > > >> > > > >> > I'm ok about removing the webcam setup button. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Karel. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > [1] > > >> > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/ > > >> > > > >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIG > > >> >uidelines/index.html > > >> > > > >> > Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 22:24 +0200, schreef Harry Vennik: > > >> >> Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support > > >> Karel's > > >> >> proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he > > >> proposed > > >> >> either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd > > >> like > > >> >> to > > >> >> make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the > > >> end. > > >> >> > > >> >> Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> File Edit View Actions Contact > > >> >> =============================== > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ===File=== > > >> >> Save As... > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Send file... > > >> >> Show received files > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Close > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ===Edit=== > > >> >> Cut > > >> >> Copy > > >> >> Paste > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Find... > > >> >> Find Next > > >> >> Find Previous > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ===View=== > > >> >> Chat style > > > >> >> Font size > > > >> >> --- > > >> >> * Show emoticons > > >> >> * Show display plicture > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ===Actions=== > > >> >> Add a contact to this chat... > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Send webcam > > >> >> Ask to receive webcam > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Send a nudge > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ===Contact=== > > >> >> Add to my contactlist > > >> >> Block > > >> >> --- > > >> >> Send e-mail > > >> >> Send SMS > > >> >> --- > > >> >> View history > > >> >> View webcam sessions > > >> >> --- > > >> >> View profile > > >> >> View/edit notes > > >> >> Properties > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Remarks: > > >> >> - Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will > > >> >> see a > > >> >> representation of files on disk is in the File menu. > > >> >> - I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to > > >> >> name the > > >> >> file! > > >> >> - The close option is also in the File menu because every user will > > >> >> look for > > >> >> it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every > > >> >> app, so > > >> >> we won't do that differently. > > >> >> > > >> >> - In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and > > >> the > > >> >> commands for searching in the window content. > > >> >> > > >> >> - In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view' > > >> is > > >> >> to be > > >> >> read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The * > > >> >> before > > >> >> the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches) > > >> >> > > >> >> - The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something > > >> >> that has > > >> >> some effect within the chat' > > >> >> > > >> >> - The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in > > >> >> the chat > > >> >> in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not > > >> >> include > > >> >> the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in > > >> the > > >> >> menu > > >> >> already. > > >> >> > > >> >> - 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the > > >> >> CL-menu, > > >> >> but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all > > >> we > > >> >> need. > > >> >> > > >> >> Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful. > > >> >> > > >> >> Harry > > >> >> > > >> >> Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui: > > >> >> > On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio > > >> >> > > > >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> >> > >> > I have just one comment. How about moving > > >> >> > >> > View Chat history > > >> >> > >> > view Webcam History > > >> >> > >> > Into the view part? > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the > > >> document > > >> >> > >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's > > >> >> > > >> >> mostly > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like > > >> >> > > >> >> "look > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know > > >> >> > > >> >> what it's > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as > > >> >> > > >> >> "screen" > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> or "image". "view chat history" is an action on a user and > > >> thus > > >> >> > >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to > > >> >> > > >> >> understand, > > >> >> > > >> >> > > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly > > >> "To > > >> >> > > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is > > >> >> > > >> >> the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can > > >> remember, > > >> >> > > >> >> but > > >> >> > > >> >> > > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone > > >> >> > > >> >> kept > > >> >> > > >> >> > doing itwhen translating ? too bad... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on > > >> >> > > >> >> "Actions", > > >> >> > > >> >> > > and I allways wondered why it was on that place. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > same happens to me every time... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > Si no encuentras tu media naranja, no te desanimes, > > >> >> > > busca medio limón > > >> >> > > y pónle azúcar, ron y hielo!!!! > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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