I personally think this doesn't really work for this kind of project. It was shown before that if you propose something but not trn it into code it keeps being discussedd all over again and after all nothing happens or the one with the original idea and motivation loses interest. Also, when you don't see this reorganisation you can't really have an idea about how you interact with it. You say we'd have a "half implementation" for the release. Imho, the way it was before was more "half" then the way it is now. Also the work I've done now is more then over the half of the reorganisation. The menus I changed could easily freeze before the release after I talked to some usability experts, like I did today for example.
Karel. Op do, 04-05-2006 te 14:02 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui: > ok, now my head hurts.. I agree with you too.. but I already said, with my > zero UI design skills, I can't really decide, you should decide both of > you, and write that specs... > I only have one comment though, Karel, I saw you put your changes in CVS, > and as I already said, it's a great thing to put the words into code!!! > but.. don't you think you're a it too enthousiastic ? the proposal you > made received a lot of comments and nothing was decided yet, and now harry > comes up with another design, as I said, I want a document, if I wanted it > to be code, I would have said "think about something nice and do it", but > I say that I want the doc because it needs to be in writing, give time for > everyone to give their insight, harry for example might be having a better > design than yours, or both of your ideas could be merged into a better > design, or we could simply forget what harry designed, but the thing is, > we need to see that, we need the feedback, the doc has to be written, > implementation independant, then submitted to the ML, with a 1 or 2 weeks > time limit for feedback, you get the feedback, incorporate it to the doc, > send again a new document, give enough time again for feedback, and keep > the back and forth until no more feedback is available on the new, final > design, you set a deadline in your mail "please respond before XXXXX > YYth", past that date, you are in the right to set it as the official > design that everyone acknowledged. AFTER that, you can begin the > implementation... > This is how it works in most companies, and this is I think the way we > should do it too, but as aMSN is not a corporation, you should keep in > mind that this path is a bit loose and some steps can be forgotten, or you > can set the deadline after 3 days for example instead of 2 weeks... but > still, I'd like the doc to be written and approved before the > implementation is done or we'll end up with a screwed up menus, a delayed > 0.96 release, and multiple designs, half implemented design of someone, > incoherent result... > > KKRT > > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:24:54 -0400, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support Karel's > > proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he proposed > > either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd like > > to > > make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the end. > > > > Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's: > > > > > > File Edit View Actions Contact > > =============================== > > > > > > ===File=== > > Save As... > > --- > > Send file... > > Show received files > > --- > > Close > > > > > > ===Edit=== > > Cut > > Copy > > Paste > > --- > > Find... > > Find Next > > Find Previous > > > > > > ===View=== > > Chat style > > > Font size > > > --- > > * Show emoticons > > * Show display plicture > > > > > > ===Actions=== > > Add a contact to this chat... > > --- > > Send webcam > > Ask to receive webcam > > --- > > Send a nudge > > > > > > ===Contact=== > > Add to my contactlist > > Block > > --- > > Send e-mail > > Send SMS > > --- > > View history > > View webcam sessions > > --- > > View profile > > View/edit notes > > Properties > > > > > > Remarks: > > - Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will see > > a > > representation of files on disk is in the File menu. > > - I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to name > > the > > file! > > - The close option is also in the File menu because every user will look > > for > > it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every app, > > so > > we won't do that differently. > > > > - In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and the > > commands for searching in the window content. > > > > - In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view' is > > to be > > read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The * > > before > > the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches) > > > > - The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something > > that has > > some effect within the chat' > > > > - The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in > > the chat > > in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not > > include > > the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in the > > menu > > already. > > > > - 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the > > CL-menu, > > but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all we > > need. > > > > Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful. > > > > Harry > > > > Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui: > >> On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> >> > I have just one comment. How about moving > >> >> > View Chat history > >> >> > view Webcam History > >> >> > Into the view part? > >> >> > >> >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the document > >> >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's mostly > >> >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like "look > >> >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know what > >> it's > >> >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as > >> "screen" > >> >> or "image". "view chat history" is an action on a user and thus > >> >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo. > >> > > >> > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to understand, > >> > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly "To > >> > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is the > >> > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can remember, but > >> > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining. > >> > >> humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone kept > >> doing itwhen translating ? too bad... > >> > >> > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on "Actions", > >> > and I allways wondered why it was on that place. > >> > >> same happens to me every time... > >> > >> > -- > >> > Si no encuentras tu media naranja, no te desanimes, > >> > busca medio limón > >> > y pónle azúcar, ron y hielo!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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