On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:26:13 -0400, Bruno Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/1/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I think you misread the mail... >> He says that if we do a backend for Telepathy, he will create its own >> GUI >> with >> Java... He doesn't ask anything... (Maybe he asks for the backend :p) >> Phil > > > Thanks Phil! > > Youness often misreads my e-mails, I think he doesn't like me :( > looool, noooo, not true, not true.. I don't even know who you are.. I even thought it was your first post :P actually, I never read the sender's name, some of you are in my 'Contacts', and the email appears with a different icon for emails coming from my contacts (vivia, sander, karol, alvaro, phil, Jerome...), in which case, I see who sent it, and take into consideration the person who sent it (knowing that what person X said will have more 'value' than person Y, not discimination, but for example, vivia giving advice about TkCximage means less than Phil's word, because vivia knows (practicly) nothing about Cximage while Phil worked with it intensively) so it's nothing personal, ok? I know you said it in an ironic/joking way, but let's just make sure there is no misunderstanding :) KaKaRoTo > Le Thursday 01 June 2006 21:51, Youness Alaoui a écrit: >> > Why are people asking for what they like, and not thinking about what >> is >> > right... >> > Yes, java development is really nice and fast! but java still has a >> lot >> of >> > disadvantages for such a project, first, people hate it (:P), the JVM >> must >> > be installed and is huge to download, so it's sad for dialup people. >> and >> > yes, java is fast, it's even faster than C (really!) for processing, >> but >> > the whole GUI part of Java is SLOW AS HELL, and yes, it is... >> > also, please don't talk about that mercury crap :p >> > I'm trying to think about what would be the most beneficial for all of >> us, >> > as developers and for our users. So java is not the perfect solution >> (but >> > not out of the way yet), and python/perl, pleaseeeee... we don't need >> any >> > more integration/training phase.. + we need people to work, not stop >> bein >> > motivated. Don't know about you python geeks, but in my case, I'm >> narrow >> > minded and I don't want to know what python is :P (looks crappy to me) >> > >> > KKRT >> > >> > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:34:41 -0400, Bruno Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > I'm not an amsn developer (please, don't kill me), but if you guys >> are >> > > going >> > > to develop a MSN backend for telepathy I'm willing to implement a >> > > java/swing >> > > frontend! (and no, java isn't slow as hell, and yes, mercury is a >> bugged >> > > piece of crap) :D >> > > Apart from java I prefer python (maybe with pygtk)... >> > > >> > > By the way, is telepathy suported on windows? >> > > >> > > On 6/1/06, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: "Youness Alaoui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> > >> > python, NO, perl, NO... I know these languages are popular, but I >> just >> > >> > hate the syntax, and especially python, I heard so much about it, >> but >> > >> >> > >> I >> > >> >> > >> > never even felt the need to look at what the code looks like, I >> just >> > >> >> > >> hate >> > >> >> > >> > it from the start... >> > > >> > > Neither I like it so much, but maybe you have to think about it from >> > > >> > >> the point of view of ease of use, more than beauty itself (even if >> I >> > >> agree >> > >> a >> > >> little with you :)). >> > >> really, it doesn't look that bad ;) >> > >> And btw, you said you didn't like tcl as well :D >> > >> >> > >> > moreover, the main reason why we'd avoid python (if everyone >> agrees >> > >> >> > >> with >> > >> >> > >> > me), is that we're tcl/tk programmers here.. learning a new >> language, >> > >> >> > >> no >> > >> >> > >> > thanks... C code is for those who knows C code, and there are a >> few >> in >> > >> > here, and it's still the standard programming language... >> > >> > if we could get the hell out of tcl/Tk (or any interpreted >> language), >> > >> >> > >> I >> > >> >> > >> > would 100% do it, the only problem with C code is that it's hard >> to >> > >> >> > >> create >> > >> >> > >> > GUIs with it (I think, anyways, I'm still under the trauma of my >> Qt >> > >> > course...), while in Tk, it's as easy as stealing a cnady from a >> kid >> > >> >> > >> (who >> > >> >> > >> > ever invented this quote???), which is why we want to stick to Tk >> for >> > >> >> > >> our >> > >> >> > >> > GUI. >> > >> >> > >> As I said, gtk doesn't look that bad in every programming language >> (gtk >> > >> is >> > >> C). pygtk is just a wrapper >> > >> >> > >> > What you have said though made me realize that we might be going >> the >> > >> >> > >> wrong >> > >> >> > >> > way in some stuff... >> > >> > we could drop the whole interpreter thing, the Data/ structures >> could >> > >> >> > >> be >> > >> >> > >> > held in C structure (don't talk about C++ because of ABI, but C++ >> is >> > >> >> > >> the >> > >> >> > >> > nicest way to do it, I know!), and we could have a nice API to >> access >> > >> > those... >> > >> > and the GUI.. we could still use Tk inside C code with the Tk >> > >> >> > >> library... >> > >> >> > >> > no ? >> > >> >> > >> shoot me: I don't like how tk looks :D >> > >> you have to compile yourself tcl/tk 8.5 just to have antialiased >> > >> fonts... >> > >> d'uh! >> > >> >> > >> > should we drop the .tcl files completly ? >> > >> >> > >> not to be repetitive (maybe you know it): >> > >> http://tcl-gtk.sourceforge.net/:D >> > >> ok, beat me :P >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Amsn-devel mailing list >> > >> Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Amsn-devel mailing list >> Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> > > > -- KaKaRoTo _______________________________________________ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
