On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 2:01 PM Michael Richardson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> Behcet Sarikaya <[email protected]> wrote:
>     > On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 9:38 AM Michael Richardson
>     > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     >>
>     >> 1. We reference RFC3261 when we first say reference SIP.  I don't
>     >> think we need more reference than that.
>     >>
>     >>
>     > Really?
>
>     > I think the best resolution is this Michael: SIP [RFC3261] Phones.
>
> Please read the document.
> Paragraph five says:
>    For instance, a SIP [RFC3261] phone might have a client certificate to
> be used with a SIP proxy.
>
>
Yes, you are right. My bad, apologies.

> It's been there for at least a few versions before -15 too.
> Probably longer, but 2025-02-28 was the last time that line was touched.
>
>     >> BRSKI-CLOUD addresses application onboarding more than networking
>     >> onboarding, so the match to wired SIP phones is much better than for
>     >> other large appliances that might be Wi-Fi, and need network
>     >> onboarding (as well).  One could use another onboarding protocol
> (DPP,
>     >> EAP-NOOB, EAP-TEEP, the not-yet-defined BRSKI-TEEP...) to get on the
>     >> network, and then use BRSKI-CLOUD to connect to do application
>     >> onboarding.  This is what some Thread ecosystems do, with work going
>     >> back to 2018, for instance.
>     >>
>     >> If you have some specific text you want to suggest, please send PR.
>
>     > Yes, please put the above text in some form into the draft. No PR.
>
> No, I'm not going to guess where you think more text belongs.  Be specific.
> The document already says all of this.   If you have specific places you
> think the text needs to be tweaked, then tell me.  Given the above, I'm not
> guessing here.
>
>

I think the same paragraph as  SIP [RFC3261] Phones, is it Par. 5?
You mentioning SIP phones is intriguing to me.  You mean iPhones don't need
certificates?

Good luck Michael.

Behcet

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