On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Simon Forster wrote:
Law enforcement doesn't provide anti-virus tools. Law enforcement doesn't offer secure
transport services for cash and gold. Law enforcement doesn???t provide locks for front doors.
Private companies provide those services. Your fancifully termed ""Private
researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops??? work to provide tools and services to
enable people to protect themselves from bad actors online, not law enforcement. It is folly
to remove tools used by these private companies to protect billions without at least some form
of balanced debate.
Is it also a folly to deny private companies, "private
detectives", vigilantes, and any interested randomers access to
the databases LEOs hold on their citizens?
Some of those citizens are, inevitably, criminals.
It's easy, if you want my data, state your case and, if you
intend to make money from them, PAY ME.
rgds,
Sascha Luck
Simon
On 29 May 2018, at 12:36, Volker Greimann <vgreim...@key-systems.net> wrote:
Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with this one.
Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more difficult to
detect and take action against due to the loss of one tool amongst many, but
ultimately that tool was illegal to begin with as it violated the rights to
privacy of millions of domain owners.
"Private researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops will indeed have a
more difficult time to obtain such data as they will finally have to do so by legal
means, but then they are in an untenable position anyway, taking upon themselves
functions that should be fulfilled by actual law enforcement.
Ultimately, private data if internet users no longer being public will lead to
better registration data for those with a right to access it. Those with no
such rights will have to figure out alternate routes to do their jobs that does
not violate the rights of millions.
Best,
Volker
Am 28.05.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette:
ox <an...@ox.co.za> wrote:
Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and their funded trade
groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted from the rooftops that if the GDPR came
into effect, Internet in the EU would collapse and there would be digital doom
and gloom.
I am not a multinational. I am an individual volunteer anti-abuse researcher.
And yet even -I- have told everyone I know that the disappearance of public
WHOIS is and will be an epic catastrophy. If there was cybercrime on the
Internet before, it will be increased, going forward, by tenfold.
How wrong they were (hindsight is perfect - as we can all clearly see)
Be patient. The change has only just occurred.
The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the reclamation of
individual rights and the free Internet.
Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox News in order
to be treated to this level of rubbish.
The only thing that has happened is that private researchers the world
over have been effectively blinded due to the supreme arogance and idiocy
of europeans... europeans who, in their religious fervor, have come to view
it as their holy obligation to foist their demented notions onto the rest
of the world, whether any of the rest of us like it or not.
Meanwhile the malevolent forces of state-sponsored intrigue and violation
of human rights are and shall remain totally unfettered and unaffected by
GDPR, as they will be the first ones to obtain special exemptions allowing
them to continue to see WHOIS data. The CIA, NSA, BDN, and FSB are
undoubtedly celebrating the arrival of GDPR, as it further entrenches
their special status at the expense of the great unwashes masses.
Friday was a sad day for both transparency and democracy, but all across
the globe both criminals and statists undoubtedly celebrated it with
toasts of champaign.
Regards,
rfg
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