On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:33:45PM -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-dev-public wrote: > On 6/25/20 11:29 PM, Chih-Hsuan Yen via arch-dev-public wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 05:53:28PM -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-dev-public >> wrote: >>> On 3/31/20 12:36 PM, Eli Schwartz wrote: >>>> On 3/30/20 6:35 AM, Chih-Hsuan Yen via arch-dev-public wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 01:26:11AM +0200, Frederik Schwan via >>>>> arch-dev-public wrote: >>>>>> We received a Feature Request today to remove fontconfig and >>>>>> xorg-mkfontscale dependencies from our font packages according to our >>>>>> own font packaging guidelines [0]. >>>>>> >>>>>> I discussed with Eli on #archlinux-bugs and we think it's a no-brainer >>>>>> but before creating a TODO we'd like to ask for your opinions first. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> [0] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/66012 >>>>>> >>>>> Just as a reference - in another similar feature request [1], Doug >>>>> Newgard mentioned that not everyone agrees on removing fontconfig and/or >>>>> xorg-mkfontscale. I believe the following two mails in the mentioned >>>>> arch-dev-public thread are most relevant: [2][3]. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, I agrees on removing fontconfig & xorg-mkfontscale. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Chih-Hsuan Yen >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/59164 >>>>> [2] >>>>> https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2016-April/027946.html >>>>> [3] >>>>> https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2016-April/027948.html >>>> >>>> heftig, City-busz, could you elaborate on just what this means? All I >>>> see there is mention that "it ensures the hooks are available", but that >>>> simply says "it needs to be installed for the sake of being installed". >>>> Is there an underlying reason here? >>>> >>>> Note that regardless of whether a font package depends on fontconfig, >>>> and regardless of whether you have any fonts installed, the fontconfig >>>> post_install and post_upgrade scripts run fc-cache --really-force during >>>> install time and on every single pkgver or pkgrel update, and then if >>>> fonts are installed it runs *again* at the end of the transaction. It's >>>> impossible to have fontconfig installed and *not* have the fontconfig >>>> cache. >>>> >>>> xorg-mkfontscale does the same thing to run >>>> /usr/share/libalpm/scripts/xorg-mkfontscale but in post_install only. >>> >>> Since there were no objections after several months and the bug reporter >>> is asking for a status update, I will assume the objection from 2016 no >>> longer applies. I'll create a TODO for this later tonight. >>> >>> -- >>> Eli Schwartz >>> Bug Wrangler and Trusted User >>> >> >> >> Hi Eli, >> >> I saw the new TODO has been created. Thanks a lot for that! Just one >> question: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/66012 also mentions >> xorg-font-utils. Should that be removed from dependencies as well? > > It is a "Transitional package depending on xorg font utilities", the > package has no contents and simply > > depends=('xorg-bdftopcf' 'xorg-mkfontdir' 'xorg-mkfontscale' > 'xorg-font-util') > > Not sure why it exists still TBH, but I'd venture to say it should be > removed too, yes... > > e.g. why drag in a recursive dependency on xorg-bdftopcf in this day and > age? > > -- > Eli Schwartz > Bug Wrangler and Trusted User >
Got it! Also thanks for updating the TODO description.
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