Is a VPS company an ISP or an end user? ARIN told me in a ticket regarding an initial IPv4 end-user request (this is yesterday) that the virtual server (VPS) company i work for, is NOT an end-user, but is an ISP. Each virtual servers uses less than a /29, and we do not do SWIP, reallocate, or reassign any IP space. The company only provides virtual servers.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Krejci <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Here is my newbie and possibly naive response. >>> >>> Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect >>> all of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them are in the business of >>> reallocating address blocks. Right or wrong I've always been under the >>> impression this to be the general rule of thumb: if allowed to reallocate >>> then you're an ISP, else end-user; maybe to back up even further the >>> primary purpose of the listed organizations are not to provide Internet >>> connectivity services nor is it their primary goal or likely even a >>> secondary goal. >>> >>> Akamai, provide effective access to 3rd party content >>> Google, provide advertising, searching, and various web related services >>> U of Maryland, provide education >>> Starbucks, provide beverages and calories in solid form >>> Hilton/Marriott, provide hospitality >>> Linode, provide virtual server hosting >>> Godaddy, provide DNS/web hosting >>> >>> In any case, NRPM 2.6 says, "An end-user is an organization receiving >>> assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational >>> networks." I think all of these example cases seem to fit this wording >>> as they are operating their identified systems within their operational >>> networks. >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> What about Verizon Wireless? They're primarily a cellular phone >> company, and the overwhelming majority of the phones on which IP >> addresses are used are still on the rent-to-own plan where you have to >> complete the 2 year contract before you actually own the phone. Untill >> then you're just leasing the use of their equipment. > > It's my understanding that it is inappropriate to name particular companies > in this case, but the below applies equally well to $CELLCO, so I'll speak to > that. > > That's not true. If you were leasing their equipment, then you could > terminate the contract and give the equipment back to them. Instead, you have > to reimburse them for the subsidy (and possibly more in most cases). You > bought the phone at a reduced price. You agreed to a service contract in > exchange for that reduced price. If you terminate the contract early, you are > obliged to pay back said discount. That is to the same as leasing equipment > they own. > >> ISP or end-user? > > ISP… $CELLCO generally assigns a block of addresses to the phone (at least my > $CELLCO assigns a /64 to my phone) and should be registering those > assignments. Further, they are also providing a service which is intended to > provide internet access to customer-owned hardware (your lease argument > doesn't actually hold water as stated above). Even if the hardware is leased, > it still counts as hardware under the customer's control. > >> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable >> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on >> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you. >> >> ISP or end-user? > > The service is intended to be used to connect customer-owned equipment to the > internet. As such, they are clearly in the LIR/ISP realm. > > Owen > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
