Personally, I think ARIN is in error in that interpretation, but that is just my personal opinion and carries no actual weight with anyone other than me.
I would suggest that you contact Leslie or John and request that your situation be reviewed by management. I know that there are a number of VPS companies that operate as end-users and I have even helped some of them to prepare their ARIN applications. Owen On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jon Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > Is a VPS company an ISP or an end user? > > ARIN told me in a ticket regarding an initial IPv4 end-user request > (this is yesterday) that the virtual server (VPS) company i work for, > is NOT an end-user, but is an ISP. Each virtual servers uses less > than a /29, and we do not do SWIP, reallocate, or reassign any IP > space. The company only provides virtual servers. > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Krejci <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Here is my newbie and possibly naive response. >>>> >>>> Without additional details on individual cases in the list, I would expect >>>> all of those cases to be "end-users" as none of them are in the business >>>> of reallocating address blocks. Right or wrong I've always been under the >>>> impression this to be the general rule of thumb: if allowed to reallocate >>>> then you're an ISP, else end-user; maybe to back up even further the >>>> primary purpose of the listed organizations are not to provide Internet >>>> connectivity services nor is it their primary goal or likely even a >>>> secondary goal. >>>> >>>> Akamai, provide effective access to 3rd party content >>>> Google, provide advertising, searching, and various web related services >>>> U of Maryland, provide education >>>> Starbucks, provide beverages and calories in solid form >>>> Hilton/Marriott, provide hospitality >>>> Linode, provide virtual server hosting >>>> Godaddy, provide DNS/web hosting >>>> >>>> In any case, NRPM 2.6 says, "An end-user is an organization receiving >>>> assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational >>>> networks." I think all of these example cases seem to fit this wording >>>> as they are operating their identified systems within their operational >>>> networks. >>> >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> What about Verizon Wireless? They're primarily a cellular phone >>> company, and the overwhelming majority of the phones on which IP >>> addresses are used are still on the rent-to-own plan where you have to >>> complete the 2 year contract before you actually own the phone. Untill >>> then you're just leasing the use of their equipment. >> >> It's my understanding that it is inappropriate to name particular companies >> in this case, but the below applies equally well to $CELLCO, so I'll speak >> to that. >> >> That's not true. If you were leasing their equipment, then you could >> terminate the contract and give the equipment back to them. Instead, you >> have to reimburse them for the subsidy (and possibly more in most cases). >> You bought the phone at a reduced price. You agreed to a service contract in >> exchange for that reduced price. If you terminate the contract early, you >> are obliged to pay back said discount. That is to the same as leasing >> equipment they own. >> >>> ISP or end-user? >> >> ISP… $CELLCO generally assigns a block of addresses to the phone (at least >> my $CELLCO assigns a /64 to my phone) and should be registering those >> assignments. Further, they are also providing a service which is intended to >> provide internet access to customer-owned hardware (your lease argument >> doesn't actually hold water as stated above). Even if the hardware is >> leased, it still counts as hardware under the customer's control. >> >>> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable >>> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on >>> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you. >>> >>> ISP or end-user? >> >> The service is intended to be used to connect customer-owned equipment to >> the internet. As such, they are clearly in the LIR/ISP realm. >> >> Owen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
