Scott, 

Asking me to do the work the AC is supposed to do is like asking a nun to 
certify their virginity. 

I made my point and I feel zero need to defend what is completely obvious and 
on the record. 

As I explained to our "CEO and President", feel free to demonstrate otherwise. 

Best, 

Martin 



> On Jun 30, 2014, at 19:38, Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Martin,
> 
> I felt the objections raised at previous meetings were addressed, not 
> ignored. Can you clarify how you feel that this policy would make it harder 
> for a recipient to qualify to receive space via transfer? The intent here is 
> to allow organizations to create new discrete networks and qualify for space 
> from them. If you think it will do the opposite, it's worth detailing how and 
> why. 
> 
> It's also worth noting that, by documenting the basic requirements for such 
> networks, it also reduces ARIN staff's discretion and provides additional 
> policy certainty. 
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Martin  Hannigan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Objection, with the majority of the community from the previous ARIN 
>> meeting, recent NANOG PPC and other comments and fora discussion. 
>> 
>> But don't let that stop the ARIN AC from moving it forward in its obsession 
>> with controlling v4 markets. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> -M< 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:34, CJ Aronson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have comments on this recommended draft policy?   
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> ----Cathy
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM, ARIN <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 June 2014 and decided to
>>>> send the following to last call:
>>>> 
>>>>   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New 
>>>> Multiple Discrete Networks
>>>> 
>>>> Feedback is encouraged during the last call period. All comments should
>>>> be provided to the Public Policy Mailing List. This last call will
>>>> expire on 8 July 2014. After last call the AC will conduct their
>>>> last call review.
>>>> 
>>>> The draft policy text is below and available at:
>>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/
>>>> 
>>>> The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:
>>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Communications and Member Services
>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ## * ##
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8
>>>> Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks
>>>> 
>>>> Date: 16 May 2014
>>>> 
>>>> AC's assessment of conformance with the Principles of Internet Number 
>>>> Resource Policy:
>>>> 
>>>> This proposal enables fair and impartial number resource administration by 
>>>> documenting how to get a new block for a new discrete network. Previous 
>>>> versions of the policy did have this information and over time it has been 
>>>> removed.
>>>> 
>>>> This proposal is technically sound. There is a need for discrete networks 
>>>> and an organization should have a policy that would allow it to create a 
>>>> new discrete network.
>>>> 
>>>> This proposal is supported by the community. There has been some concern 
>>>> about the criterial that will be used and this version has been updated 
>>>> with the current thinking on the criteria.
>>>> 
>>>> Policy Statement:
>>>> 
>>>> IPv4:
>>>> Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
>>>> Upon verification that the organization has shown evidence of deployment 
>>>> of the new discrete network site, the new network(s) shall be allocated 
>>>> the minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless the organization 
>>>> can demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria 
>>>> (4.2.1.6).
>>>> 
>>>> IPv6:
>>>> Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it references 
>>>> both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation sections of the IPv6 
>>>> LIR policy.
>>>> "Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria 
>>>> specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."
>>>> 
>>>> Comments:
>>>> a. Timetable for implementation: immediate
>>>> b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation & 
>>>> Experience Report from ARIN 32.
>>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf
>>>> c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria. This 
>>>> criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites of the 
>>>> MDN policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block larger than 
>>>> the current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently /20 for ARIN) to 
>>>> a new network." (https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf)
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