> On Mar 7, 2026, at 07:34, Douglas Camin <[email protected]> wrote: > > +1 to Eric’s change to LIR definition and +1 to Owen’s suggestion to drop “at > a local level” from the revision for the reason’s both suggested. > > So revised would be: > > "A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR which > receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR for allocation to its > customers, end-users, and infrastructure.
I think member is the wrong term here. Perhaps “client of an RIR", “customer of an RIR", or simply “organization”. Owen > -- > > Douglas J. Camin > > [email protected] > > From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of Owen DeLong via > ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 10:18 AM > To: Eric C. Landgraf <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and > LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text > > > > > On Mar 6, 2026, at 11:07, Eric C. Landgraf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 05 Mar 2026 12:55:47 -0500 ARIN wrote: > >> Section 2: > >> > >> Rewrite the LIR definition to provide clarity and relationship to ISP > >> > >> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) > >> > >> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR, > >> receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR, for allocation > >> to its customers, end-users, and infrastructure, at a local level. > >> LIRs include Internet Service Providers (ISPs) whose customers are > >> primarily end users and possibly other ISPs. Historically in the ARIN > >> service region "ISP" was used as an equivalent, albeit incomplete, > >> term. > > > > The wording of this section is awkward, as the first sentence is > > incomplete. I suggest modifying it to read: > > "A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR > > which receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR for > > allocation to its customers, end-users, and infrastructure at a local > > level." > > “At a local level” is an interesting choice of words here given that some > LIRs are more global than the RIR they are receiving addresses from. > > It doesn’t really add meaning to the policy, so I suggest dropping that > phrase altogether. > > > > >> 2.18 Internet Service Provider (ISP) > >> > >> An Internet Service Provider (ISP) is a type of organization that > >> provides Internet services to other organizations, its customers, > >> and\or individuals other than its employees. Internet services > >> include, but are not limited to, connectivity services, web services, > >> colocation, dedicated servers, virtual private servers, and virtual > >> private networks. > > > > This should be corrected with "and/or", though in this community "or" > > may be sufficient. > > Disagree. “Include but are not limited to” eliminates the need for “or” since > any item is included in the list, but not mandated by the and. > > Owen > > > Otherwise, I support this policy. I think this cleans up the PPML > > substantially. > > > > Eric C. Landgraf > > Virginia Tech > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.arin.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Farin-ppml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C50e4ad1fdf234c212c8a08de7c5cc126%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639084934980391351%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QRtyj9zGCav3vfy5fLWEjeASgREEx5nkCb%2FrMhWLuKU%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.arin.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Farin-ppml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C50e4ad1fdf234c212c8a08de7c5cc126%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639084934980411380%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IS1pz3ujFZkLcIIQelfQDbnf0ldSQ%2FbpNYHHLbSzIZE%3D&reserved=0 > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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