>>I think JA music is an absolute failure on part of ARR. Absolutely Rawat. No wonder JA music had such a bad press.
>>>ARR didn't at all get the feel of the period movie. It seems ARR had >>>absolutely no idea the large - big - huge - grand - great - showman >>>style in which AG was making the movie. Yes. ARR has lost his senses. The music of JA was as good as Bappi's composition for a Mithun's movie. >>>So, ARR composed music which is very personal, individualistic music, >>>and that didn't match at all, didn't fit at all in the grandeur of the >>>movie. ARR should stop composing for himself and start composing for the story. If at all he wants to compose himself he should do his own albums right? >>>Result was disastrous. music sunk down without a trace in the movie. No viewer even thought of music while watching the movie. And poor man Tuteja - somebody from ARR's studio bribed him and made him accept that JA music is indeed better. But we intellectuals know better. >>>This would be the only movie of ARR in which the director didn't butcher >>>the songs, still the songs didn't become noticeable, just because the >>>songs were on a different concept as if ARR was composing for a soft >>>love story between Jodha and Akbar, but the music movie was Princess and >>>Queen Jodha and Azeemoshaan Shanshaah Akbar from beginning to end. >>>Azeemoshaan Shanshaah is the only "public" song, and I found it >>>irritatingly loud. Moulded lyrics worsened it. No Rawat. Some songs were still butchered. Man Mohana was in parts. The instrumentals were not picturised at all. We should actually sue any director who doesn't picturise Rahman's songs or use it BGMs in the name of 'using music to take forward the movie'. Da*n those people like Aamir, Rakyesh and Asuthosh. What do they know about movie making? Their movie simply sells because of the star cast or heavy marketing, nothing else. Public is so dumb that 'made to flop' movies like JA, JTYJN,etc. . became hits. We have to do something about this. How about an intteligent movie watching awareness rally? >>>How could it happen? >>>Why, if ARR and AG are so intimate? >>>Didn't AG tell ARR what he is doing in the movie so that ARR would have >>>included the grandeur in his music? >>>it seems AG kept on emphasizing to ARR that he is making a love story >>>between Jodha and akbar, and that is why ARR created such a personal >>>music for the film, missing out on the grandeur. Don't use the word 'seems' Rawat. That makes you less authoritative. ARR these days has stopped asking anything from the director/producer but the contract price and music rights. >>>Mughal-e-azam also had the 100% classical personal song Prem Jogan Ban >>>Ke, that was shot on Dilip and Madhubala in the garden overnight. But >>>rest of the music was mostly with the grandeur that befits on a period >>>movie of this scale. Even the songs between individuals had a grandeur >>>of a period movie. Yes. When Asif could make a period movie in 60's (a period when viewers had a strog liking for absolute masala films), why can't Asuthosh make a pure period movie conforming to textbooks when there is whole generation waiting over their heels for a pure, classic, period movie. >>>ARR missed on this grandeur, and gave three looooonnnnng personal songs >>>- jashnebahara, in lamhon ke daman mein and khwaja mere khwaja. That was >>>disproportionate for the film. I can't use some expressive words which the moderator would ban. Yeah. . Jash-e-Baharaa, In lamho ke and Khwaja were such a dud with only one (or two?? ) instruments and zero emotions. And lo. . Rahman keeps singing them in his concerts thinking that repeated hearing will make the public like the song. Wake up Rahman. You are 40. Your songs now more grow on us. Give us something instantly hummable. >>>Though I don't blame ARR for Manmohana fiasco. The song was so long and >>>too much noticeable, but that also I think is because AG must have kept >>>on emphasing to ARR about showing hindu Jodha doing prayers in Muslim >>>Akbar's palace, so ARR gave it a lot of importance and created such a >>>loooonnnnggg non-subtle song that pinches in ears. Yes. ARR usually dislikes concepts like patriotism, unity. Thats why he made a song that pinches our hears. And Bela Shinde has such a screeching voice. Huh. . . Rahman has lost his ears for good voice. >>>JA would always hold the crown of music going in one direction and film >>>going orthogonally to that. And I blame AG 100% for that. he took ARR >>>for a ride for this film. And ARR lost by not giving a "pyar kiya to >>>darna kya" level of song in it. I think ARR was just not knowing that he >>>can give such a song in it. Yes Rawat. That's it. Thanks for declaring Asuthosh the culprit. Everybody here, please note that there will be no more arguements about who is the culprit for poor music in JA. ARR should have probably consulted you. . He could have avoided the biggest Box Office disaster of 2008. And let me add this also. . >>>Gomzy is behaving oddly with me lately, giving odd type of answers >>>bordering on pinching, offending, insulting, ridiculing, degrading. >>>I am not liking it all. Behave yourself and stop it. Beware Gomzy. Only Rawat can be opinionated, vocal, contradict and reply to anybody using the single bullet (>) without considering their sensibilities, likenings and affliations . That's why I am using the >>>, lest I attract his ire. Have a nice time Rawat. I wish you keep posting here. Love and Regards. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:47 PM, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/18/2008 8:35 PM India Time, _Gomzy_ wrote: > > > hehe Rawat, you will be disappointed to know that he is indeed the > > composer. AG is the best and gets the best out of ARR. > > I think JA music is an absolute failure on part of ARR. > > ARR didn't at all get the feel of the period movie. It seems ARR had > absolutely no idea the large - big - huge - grand - great - showman > style in which AG was making the movie. > > So, ARR composed music which is very personal, individualistic music, > and that didn't match at all, didn't fit at all in the grandeur of the > movie. > > Result was disastrous. music sunk down without a trace in the movie. > > This would be the only movie of ARR in which the director didn't butcher > the songs, still the songs didn't become noticeable, just because the > songs were on a different concept as if ARR was composing for a soft > love story between Jodha and Akbar, but the music movie was Princess and > Queen Jodha and Azeemoshaan Shanshaah Akbar from beginning to end. > Azeemoshaan Shanshaah is the only "public" song, and I found it > irritatingly loud. Moulded lyrics worsened it. > > How could it happen? > > Why, if ARR and AG are so intimate? > > Didn't AG tell ARR what he is doing in the movie so that ARR would have > included the grandeur in his music? > > it seems AG kept on emphasizing to ARR that he is making a love story > between Jodha and akbar, and that is why ARR created such a personal > music for the film, missing out on the grandeur. > > Mughal-e-azam also had the 100% classical personal song Prem Jogan Ban > Ke, that was shot on Dilip and Madhubala in the garden overnight. But > rest of the music was mostly with the grandeur that befits on a period > movie of this scale. Even the songs between individuals had a grandeur > of a period movie. > > ARR missed on this grandeur, and gave three looooonnnnng personal songs > - jashnebahara, in lamhon ke daman mein and khwaja mere khwaja. That was > disproportionate for the film. > > Though I don't blame ARR for Manmohana fiasco. The song was so long and > too much noticeable, but that also I think is because AG must have kept > on emphasing to ARR about showing hindu Jodha doing prayers in Muslim > Akbar's palace, so ARR gave it a lot of importance and created such a > loooonnnnggg non-subtle song that pinches in ears. > > JA would always hold the crown of music going in one direction and film > going orthogonally to that. And I blame AG 100% for that. he took ARR > for a ride for this film. And ARR lost by not giving a "pyar kiya to > darna kya" level of song in it. I think ARR was just not knowing that he > can give such a song in it. > > > > > On 7/18/08, *V S Rawat* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <vsrawat%40gmail.com><mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <vsrawat%40gmail.com>>> > > wrote: > > > > On 7/18/2008 6:43 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote: > > > > > Is out boss not composing for Ashutosh Gowariker's What's Your > > > Raashee? The wikipedia page > > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Your_Raashee%3F) shows SEL as > > > music directors. I am completely surprised. Ashutosh has said in some > > > interview some days back that he wants A.R.Rahman for it. So sad! > > > > > > > Whatever. > > > > My view is that Ashutosh is not really a song-music person. He might > > have good ear for music but he doesn't have imagination enough to give > > good treatment to songs. > > > > All songs of Lagaan/ Swadesh were sort of fit in the movie. There > > was no > > special scene, no great visuals, no imagination at all. All routine > > scenes, all daily life situations. Just on the run. > > > > At most, a situation was created for the Kailash Kher song in Swades, > > but how shabbily it was patched in. > > > > So, I think it is no loss for ARR if Ashutosh goes away. It was > > Ashutosh's films that were benefitting from ARR's music, the films > > themselves didn't add to the beauty of ARR's songs. > > > > Ashutosh is not a 1% of Mani or Shankar when it comes to songs > > picturization. > > > > Of course, a film getting hit makes the music reach more persons, there > > is no denial of that. > > > > And, if ARR feels comfortable with Ashutosh and becomes more creative > > giving his better ones, then of course, it is a loss for us if Ashutosh > > breaks away. > > > > I didn't mention JA because the movie went of a totally different track > > away from music. I don't even remember where Jashnebahara or lamho ke > > daaman had been. Such a forgettable treatment. And remember the stale > > situation of Manmohna, the gaudy money-waster sets of > > Azeem-shaanshahanshah give pain when remember. JA was a shit, confused, > > purpose-less movie. > > > > I always felt that SEL are a perfect fit for Ashutosh's level. > > > > -- > > V > > -- > V > > >
