Prasad, I had major issues with the following songs, Azaadi- Bose Jaage Hain- Guru In Lamhon Ke Daman mein- Jodha Akbar
I loved SDM too ( international release). Azeem O Shaan was good too, so were JTYJN and Ada was as good. Ghajini was average with blue getting worse. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Prasad Varma <svspva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha > Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan? > > What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue > what albums were you unhappy with? > > I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being > my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gomzy™ <gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com> > *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed" > > > > That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not > the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil > Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had > more layers in them than Blue. > > Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise > *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly > audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If > yes, then i have issues with my ears. > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma <svspva...@yahoo. > com<svspva...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Anand, >> >> You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did >> refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that >> sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think >> there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which >> is perfectly justified. >> >> Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble >> rich" digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly >> "analogish" sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of >> En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts >> on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. >> >> Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled >> his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. >> Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. >> Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes >> they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the >> early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with >> his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful >> guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. >> >> From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning >> this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of >> time in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen >> vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There >> are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily >> made up and tweaked. >> >> Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and >> from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely >> hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass >> muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) >> >> PV >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Anand Bharathan <an...@tmh.ae> >> *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM >> *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed" >> >> >> >> Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight >> unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is >> doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I >> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound >> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a >> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the >> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he >> feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could >> be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the >> orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of >> layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on >> the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare >> for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the >> complex layering that he does in his music. >> >> >> >> I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer >> but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you >> would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward >> album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a >> slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would >> personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our >> boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others >> here. >> >> >> >> With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to >> strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal >> opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfan >> s...@yahoogroups.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh >> >> *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM >> *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com >> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed" >> >> >> >> >> >> *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to >> hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a >> member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I >> really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and >> to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so >> that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I >> sound odd ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect >> - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a >> highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a >> highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in >> hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound >> engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new >> stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. >> >> >> >> I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him >> in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, >> and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as >> theirs. >> >> > I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound >> quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, >> compare the sound quality - they sound *tight* (if I call it in a studio >> language). >> >> >> >> I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound >> quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with >> Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... : >> >> RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue >> >> Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue >> >> so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I >> feel it is not. >> >> >> >> As a musician & singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes >> to sound quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord <purev...@yahoo. >> com<purev...@yahoo.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I >> concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And >> being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very >> relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly >> processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can >> understand. >> >> Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a >> discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without >> good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the >> distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. >> >> I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him >> in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, >> and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as >> theirs. >> >> Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss >> and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. >> >> >> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> Arun KB Ganesh <ergu...@...> wrote: >> > >> >> > Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned >> into >> > a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the >> difference >> > between the 2 ?! >> > The music may have intricate layering & complicate complex chord >> > progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality >> of >> > this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear >> .. >> > It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - >> > whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, >> it >> > may be too late. >> > >> > ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are >> way >> > ahead of him in terms of *"SOUND QUALITY" (Mind you, I am NOT talking >> about >> > the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music & the >> sounds >> > used (again, not the sound quality). * >> > >> > I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. >> > >> >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh <ergu...@...> wrote: >> > >> > > *Clarification : ** >> > > * >> > > *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more >> than >> > > all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to >> be >> > > mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it >> was my >> > > duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be >> really >> > > glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. >> > > * >> > > **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I >> never >> > > said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in >> no >> > > way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR >> sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only >> feeling >> > > bad about the 'sound quality' the album "Blue" has. >> > > >> > > Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a >> different >> > > sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different >> > > programmers & engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have >> been >> > > various programmers & engineers who have worked on his songs - but the >> end >> > > result used to be tremendous. >> > > >> > > I don't know why the difference now. >> > > >> > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh <ergu...@...> wrote: >> > > >> > >> One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb >> > >> quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. >> > >> Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. >> One >> > >> of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, >> which >> > >> was pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not >> in >> > >> this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the >> programmers. >> > >> >> > >> The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds >> > >> like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy >> sounds for >> > >> chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts >> singing). >> > >> The vocals are extremely bad.... >> > >> >> > >> Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ >> > >> T-Series. >> > >> >> > >> I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are >> not >> > >> being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be >> 'better'. >> > >> but it has never been. >> > >> Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the >> > >> beauty of the sound is compromised on. >> > >> >> > >> And I am not in for a debate here. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >
