Good Luck Gayatri. Rawat never gives up his "opinion", while he wants influence others opinion.
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Gayatri sis, > > firstly, thanks for the elaborate, thoughtful reply. > > 1. I think, any true arr fan who had been liking ARR's dozens of > masterpieces in two decades, and if he or she had liked yuvraj-zindagi, > Ghajini-Kaise Mujhe, D6-all,etc. just in last 365 days, if, if, if such a > true fan ends up liking Chiggy-Wiggy, then I would say that his/ her tastes > have deteriorated. He should be prescribed listening to Bombay, Dil Se, Taal > for a week to recover. :-) he he > > 2. If ichord, you and many other respected members agree that Chiggy-Wiggy > was not a great song, then why isn't it a great opportunity wasted by ARR? > The song got so much money spent on it by financiers, it got so much free > publicity on account of that, for that matter - international publicity, > entire world was waiting to listen to this song and get blown by its magic > and you and ichord agree that it is not a great song. Why didn't ARR make it > great when he has proven capability to make 800+ great songs. Why isn't it a > significant noticeable omission by ARR? > > 3. Pappu was another fun number. I didn't like it much as such as my > personal tastes are different. Still, Pappu was not lacking in any count. It > was a complete song in itself. Even the question of Pappu being a great song > or not never really arose in this list. > > 4. But, Chiggy Wiggy is lacking. Chiggy Wiggy is unimaginative as per ARR's > own past history. It runs much more deeper on its cultural and philosophical > impact. The unabashedness with which the loud Indian bhangra starts to > "defeat" foreign melodies is not what ARR stands for. ARR is not for > confrontation. ARR is for peace, harmony, unity, merging of cultures, mutual > love and respect. How could ARR give a song that teaches confrontation, that > mocks at foreign culture to show off that Indian culture is great and will > defeat all the cultures of the rest of the world. By professing such a line > of thought, ARR has countered everything he has so consistently and > laboriously taught us in two decades. After this song, no one can believe > ARR he speaks of peace and harmony. > > 5. You may find just a tiny comparison in Taal's Ishq Bina. If you kindly > analyze it, you will find that Ishq Bina was also really having two > different thought lines - the girl was vocal about love, quite open, sort of > craving, and boy was shy and introvert. But, Ishq Bina didn't let one line > of thought defeat the other line of thought. The boy simply, softly, > politely states "tumne ishq ka naam suna hai, hamne ishq kiya hai." That's > all. That does it. Both expressed their view and both won. People loved it. > I still remember some friends humming this sing line "tumne ishq ka naam > suna hai, hamne ishq kiya hai." as if it was the summary of entire Taal, > reflected in their life. It has the essence of what love is. It taught > people what love is. Ishq Bina reflected the entire personality of ARR. > > Pappu is really mocking up guys who can't dance, and even use the term Sala > in an abusive vain, but it even then remained friendly leg pulling. No one > felt offended by listening to Pappu. Even in this list, there were posts > like "xxx can't listen, sala", "xxx can't write, sala" and we all laughed. > > Chiggy Wiggy follows different line altogether. Chiggy Wiggy teaches > colonization, Chiggy Wiggy teaches war, Chiggy Wiggy teaches slavery, Chiggy > Wiggy presents girls as a spineless dumbo who are made for getting dominated > by male tactics. Chiggy Wiggy undermines human dignity. > > Who should take the responsibility of making Chiggy Wiggy the way it goes? > > Thanks. > -- > Rawat > > > On 10/19/2009 10:01 AM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote: > > > I'm sorry but try as I might, I really can't understand the reasoning > > behind your animosity towards Chiggy Wiggy, Rawat. > > > > Yes, it's not a worldclass masterpiece...but then, who said it ever was? > > Like Ichord mentioned, it's a fun song. Some like it, many don't. > > > > Quote: "We can't hide from the fact that other people might be looking > > at this group to get authentic feedback on the "goodness" of his songs, > > and all those got misguided by this group's endless advertising Chiggy > > Wiggy and entire bullu." > > > > I really don't see how people can be misguided by a group's review on an > > album. To start with, this is ARR's fan group. If anything, there is > > bound to be more positive reviews as compared to negative ones on ARR's > > albums from the members. If someone wanted an unbiased/objective review > > of ARR's album, well, there are many websites offering such reviews. The > > fan group is definitely the last place such person would go to. So I > > really don't see how your point of "misguiding the public with endless > > advertising of Chiggy Wiggy and entire blue" holds water here. And > > please don't akin the reviews to Gopal A's "lovely pranks". No one can > > tell a person to write good or bad reviews on an album. An bear in mind > > that while reviews are basically a person's feelings on a particular > > album, fake track list are not. Why bother looking outside the group, > > even I thought Gopal's list was genuine. But yes, when I got to know > > that it was made for fun, I did apologize to Gopal for thinking > > otherwise. But the fact remains that many were truly "misguided" by such > > list. > > > > Quote: "The reason might be: We fans might like anything given by our > > man because we love our man. It is normal human psychology. We might > > have convinced ourselves that we are liking Chiggy Wiggy or blue on some > > strengths it has while ignoring some down points it is having." > > > > Liking a song is entirely an individual's decision. For every album that > > ARR works on, 1 in 10 people might loathe it (his fans included). Those > > who like it will definitely talk great about it and those who > > don't...well, your constant harping on CW is the answer to that. > > > > On the other hand, I never came across reviews of members classifying CW > > as a masterpiece. At most, people only regard CW as a fun number and > > that it's going to be a big hit (which it has, actually). > > > > But then, no one has ever forced others (at least I don't see it here) > > to like CW, or any songs for the matter. People talk constantly about > > their likings on a particular song. I don't see what's the problem with > > that. After all, this is where an ARR's fan can put across their views. > > You're welcomed to tell why you don't like CW. No one is going to bother > > about that too. But the fact that you kept harping on why people are > > talking great about it is something to ponder about. I mean, you might > > not share the same feelings as us, but then it doesn't give you the > > right to tell us what to like and what not to. > > > > ARR has from time to time composed fun and frolic numbers such as CW. > > Numbers from the 90's like Chikku Bukku, Muqabla, and post 2000- Chori > > Pe Chori from Saathiya, Pappu Can't Dance, or Taxi Taxi are anything but > > masterpieces. But they are fun and people enjoy listening to them, even > > to date. No one complained about these numbers back then, so why should > > CW be treated differently now? Because it was post SDM and expectations > > are higher now? Or is it because Kylie was singing it? Kylie knew what > > she was getting into when she sang the number. If anything, I'm sure she > > wasn't expecting a Grammy award from this number. She never said that > > this was the best song or that the song was going to change the entire > > music industry and neither did ARR. > > > > > > Quote: Himesh's songs were liked more by those listeners than thsi but > > that didn't alter anything about Himesh. > > > > Why bring Himesh into this picture? There are people who think the world > > of Himesh's music, I'm sure. I don't see the reason to argue with them. > > But no one has ever compared Himesh's albums to ARR's. They are poles > > apart. And just because of one CW, you start comparing ARR to Himesh? > > Coming to think of it, do you seriously think that by composing CW, > > those who had great views on ARR are going to treat him differently now? > > > > I can understand when ARR's critics find CW as a punching bag to prove > > their point. It's a known fact that the critics would bad-mouth the > > least creative number in the album. What's more, it's expected from > > them. Nevertheless, I seriously can't find reasons why a person who > > claims to be ARR's fan would resort to such actions too. > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/18/09, V S Rawat /<vsra...@gmail.com<vsrawat%40gmail.com>>/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com <vsrawat%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: [arr] Such Bull! > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > On 10/18/2009 7:14 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > People can talk all they want here, create however much noise they > > > want, and bash Chiggy Wiggy all they want. Fine. I still like the > > > song. So shoot me. I don't care if the whole damn world hates the > > > song. I like it. > > > > > Is it a masterpiece? No. It's a fun dance song. > > > But, I guess for some here, liking a fun, simple, dance song even by > > > ARR is not acceptable. > > > > ARR has already given Pappu that was a fun, simple, dance song. > > Nobody said that it was any great song, yet that became a hit > > without needing the crutches of any Kylie. Several fun dance songs > > by other MDs are getting hit. So, people know what to like and what > > not to like. Dust has still not settled on Chiggy Wiggy, let us see > > after six months how world rates bullu and CG then. till then... > > > > > The fact that Chiggy went high on the charts > > > says that the song is liked a lot by the common listener, not by > > > everyone, by a lot. > > > > Himesh's songs were liked more by those listeners than thsi but that > > didn't alter anything about Himesh. > > > > > > > > This analysis of whether Chiggy is good or not is getting really old. > > > Leave it to personal opinion and put this to rest once and for all! > > > > -- > > Rawat > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > </mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, V S Rawat > > > <vsra...@... > wrote: > > >> On 10/18/2009 4:51 AM India Time, _Jahanzeb_ wrote: > > >> > > >>> exactly. this is what i have been saying all the time, that > > >>> Chiggy Wiggy is a huge failure of ARR. and yes though people > > >>> didn't agree that it is a "failure" but i don't remember anyone > > >>> calling it a worldclass masterpiece either. > > >>> > > >>> - Jahanzeb > > >> Yup. > > >> > > >> I think it also puts on a question mark on the credibility of this > > >> group itself that several members acted like mouthpieces and kept > > >> on praising the song endlessly and even criticized those who were > > >> criticizing the song since day one. Some are like going that way. > > >> > > >> Now, such members would say that liking or not liking a song is a > > >> personal matter and they still like it. Well, it is, still there is > > >> a thing called objectivity. When we agree that this group is > > >> considered a place to get authentic information on ARR, and some > > >> members can't even tolerate a lovely prank played by Gopal Anandan > > >> for that exact point, then we can't hide from the fact that other > > >> people might be looking at this group to get authentic feedback on > > >> the "goodness" of his songs, and all those got misguided by this > > >> group's endless advertising Chiggy Wiggy and entire bullu. > > >> > > >> The reason might be: We fans might like anything given by our man > > >> because we love our man. It is normal human psychology. We might > > >> have convinced ourselves that we are liking Chiggy Wiggy or blue on > > >> some strengths it has while ignoring some down points it is having. > > >> > > >> > > >> I hope members will learn from this and will try to be more > > >> objective in giving their future reviews/ feedbacks on future > > >> releases of ARR. > > >> > > >> Remember, wrong feebacks in this group must be presenting a wrong > > >> picture about a song/ album to ARR himself if he is accessing the > > >> group. ARR needs truth. Underved praising will harm ARR. Let's not > > >> only utter Satyamev Jayate, but also practice it. > > >> > > >>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > </mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, kishore parayath > > > >>> <kishore.parayath@ > wrote: > > >>>> This is the FIRST TIME that some OFFICIAL reviewer is calling > > >>>> an ARR track as "SECOND RATE" or cheap! > > >> Yup, it makes me sad. > > >> > > >>>> So, we must ADMIT facts! Chiggy Wiggy was certainly a MISTAKE > > >>>> from our BOSS's part, who is reverred in Bollywood and accross > > >>>> India for having created Superhuman Divine Musical wonders! > > >> Yes, we must admit that. And I really wonder why ARR remained so > > >> uncharacteristicall y unimaginative in this particular song. To put > > >> things in proper perspective, I think I find Chiggy Wiggy the only > > >> single track by ARR, out of his 800-1000 songs, that is > > >> umimaginative. May be, ARR might wish to share "the composing of > > >> Chiggy Wiggy" or something like that to tell us what went wrong in > > >> it. > > >> > > >>>> I still REMEMBER, how some fellow fans reacted when I said > > >>>> CHIGGY WIGGY was disappointing after the FIRST promo. They > > >>>> called it a worldclass masterpiece creation, and snubbed the > > >>>> fans who called it average, and expected in further albums. > > >>>> > > >>>> BOSS wont repeat mistakes. Vinnai Thaandi Varuvaaya promo makes > > >>>> all of us speechless!! Exceptional! ! > > >> Righto. Exactly. Boss' brand value remains high as ever. Chiggy > > >> Wiggy might be a first failure of him so we are facing a new > > >> situation really and we are not able to think how to accept this > > >> fact. But our trust in our man, that he had so laboriously and > > >> consistently built up through 18 years remains as high as always > > >> and we will devour each of his next releases. > > >> > > >> -- Rawat > > >
