Rawatji, If you are referring to the lyrics, then I am not sure how much of an influence ARR would have on it. Also the song conceptualization is a director's job and the MDs job is to deliver to that concept. So if in Taal, SG wanted it one way , or AT wanted it in a particular way in JTYJN or ADS wanted in a confrontationalist style for Blue, ARR has delivered to that concept.
I think we should stop reading too much into these kind of situations . ARR knows best about what he has to do. It is upto us to either listen to his work if we like it or not , if it is not upto the mark according to us. No batsman can hit a century or make an impact with each and every innings. The Excellent to Average ratio of ARR's songs leans quite favorably towards excellent. Lets enjoy what we think are gems and ignore what we don't like. Warm Regards ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vinayak http://www.flickr.com/photos/rightplacerighttime/ On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM, V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Gayatri sis, > > firstly, thanks for the elaborate, thoughtful reply. > > 1. I think, any true arr fan who had been liking ARR's dozens of > masterpieces in two decades, and if he or she had liked yuvraj-zindagi, > Ghajini-Kaise Mujhe, D6-all,etc. just in last 365 days, if, if, if such a > true fan ends up liking Chiggy-Wiggy, then I would say that his/ her tastes > have deteriorated. He should be prescribed listening to Bombay, Dil Se, Taal > for a week to recover. :-) he he > > 2. If ichord, you and many other respected members agree that Chiggy-Wiggy > was not a great song, then why isn't it a great opportunity wasted by ARR? > The song got so much money spent on it by financiers, it got so much free > publicity on account of that, for that matter - international publicity, > entire world was waiting to listen to this song and get blown by its magic > and you and ichord agree that it is not a great song. Why didn't ARR make it > great when he has proven capability to make 800+ great songs. Why isn't it a > significant noticeable omission by ARR? > > 3. Pappu was another fun number. I didn't like it much as such as my > personal tastes are different. Still, Pappu was not lacking in any count. It > was a complete song in itself. Even the question of Pappu being a great song > or not never really arose in this list. > > 4. But, Chiggy Wiggy is lacking. Chiggy Wiggy is unimaginative as per ARR's > own past history. It runs much more deeper on its cultural and philosophical > impact. The unabashedness with which the loud Indian bhangra starts to > "defeat" foreign melodies is not what ARR stands for. ARR is not for > confrontation. ARR is for peace, harmony, unity, merging of cultures, mutual > love and respect. How could ARR give a song that teaches confrontation, that > mocks at foreign culture to show off that Indian culture is great and will > defeat all the cultures of the rest of the world. By professing such a line > of thought, ARR has countered everything he has so consistently and > laboriously taught us in two decades. After this song, no one can believe > ARR he speaks of peace and harmony. > > 5. You may find just a tiny comparison in Taal's Ishq Bina. If you kindly > analyze it, you will find that Ishq Bina was also really having two > different thought lines - the girl was vocal about love, quite open, sort of > craving, and boy was shy and introvert. But, Ishq Bina didn't let one line > of thought defeat the other line of thought. The boy simply, softly, > politely states "tumne ishq ka naam suna hai, hamne ishq kiya hai." That's > all. That does it. Both expressed their view and both won. People loved it. > I still remember some friends humming this sing line "tumne ishq ka naam > suna hai, hamne ishq kiya hai." as if it was the summary of entire Taal, > reflected in their life. It has the essence of what love is. It taught > people what love is. Ishq Bina reflected the entire personality of ARR. > > Pappu is really mocking up guys who can't dance, and even use the term Sala > in an abusive vain, but it even then remained friendly leg pulling. No one > felt offended by listening to Pappu. Even in this list, there were posts > like "xxx can't listen, sala", "xxx can't write, sala" and we all laughed. > > Chiggy Wiggy follows different line altogether. Chiggy Wiggy teaches > colonization, Chiggy Wiggy teaches war, Chiggy Wiggy teaches slavery, Chiggy > Wiggy presents girls as a spineless dumbo who are made for getting dominated > by male tactics. Chiggy Wiggy undermines human dignity. > > Who should take the responsibility of making Chiggy Wiggy the way it goes? > > Thanks. > -- > Rawat > > > On 10/19/2009 10:01 AM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote: > > > I'm sorry but try as I might, I really can't understand the reasoning > > behind your animosity towards Chiggy Wiggy, Rawat. > > > > Yes, it's not a worldclass masterpiece...but then, who said it ever was? > > Like Ichord mentioned, it's a fun song. Some like it, many don't. > > > > Quote: "We can't hide from the fact that other people might be looking > > at this group to get authentic feedback on the "goodness" of his songs, > > and all those got misguided by this group's endless advertising Chiggy > > Wiggy and entire bullu." > > > > I really don't see how people can be misguided by a group's review on an > > album. To start with, this is ARR's fan group. If anything, there is > > bound to be more positive reviews as compared to negative ones on ARR's > > albums from the members. If someone wanted an unbiased/objective review > > of ARR's album, well, there are many websites offering such reviews. The > > fan group is definitely the last place such person would go to. So I > > really don't see how your point of "misguiding the public with endless > > advertising of Chiggy Wiggy and entire blue" holds water here. And > > please don't akin the reviews to Gopal A's "lovely pranks". No one can > > tell a person to write good or bad reviews on an album. An bear in mind > > that while reviews are basically a person's feelings on a particular > > album, fake track list are not. Why bother looking outside the group, > > even I thought Gopal's list was genuine. But yes, when I got to know > > that it was made for fun, I did apologize to Gopal for thinking > > otherwise. But the fact remains that many were truly "misguided" by such > > list. > > > > Quote: "The reason might be: We fans might like anything given by our > > man because we love our man. It is normal human psychology. We might > > have convinced ourselves that we are liking Chiggy Wiggy or blue on some > > strengths it has while ignoring some down points it is having." > > > > Liking a song is entirely an individual's decision. For every album that > > ARR works on, 1 in 10 people might loathe it (his fans included). Those > > who like it will definitely talk great about it and those who > > don't...well, your constant harping on CW is the answer to that. > > > > On the other hand, I never came across reviews of members classifying CW > > as a masterpiece. At most, people only regard CW as a fun number and > > that it's going to be a big hit (which it has, actually). > > > > But then, no one has ever forced others (at least I don't see it here) > > to like CW, or any songs for the matter. People talk constantly about > > their likings on a particular song. I don't see what's the problem with > > that. After all, this is where an ARR's fan can put across their views. > > You're welcomed to tell why you don't like CW. No one is going to bother > > about that too. But the fact that you kept harping on why people are > > talking great about it is something to ponder about. I mean, you might > > not share the same feelings as us, but then it doesn't give you the > > right to tell us what to like and what not to. > > > > ARR has from time to time composed fun and frolic numbers such as CW. > > Numbers from the 90's like Chikku Bukku, Muqabla, and post 2000- Chori > > Pe Chori from Saathiya, Pappu Can't Dance, or Taxi Taxi are anything but > > masterpieces. But they are fun and people enjoy listening to them, even > > to date. No one complained about these numbers back then, so why should > > CW be treated differently now? Because it was post SDM and expectations > > are higher now? Or is it because Kylie was singing it? Kylie knew what > > she was getting into when she sang the number. If anything, I'm sure she > > wasn't expecting a Grammy award from this number. She never said that > > this was the best song or that the song was going to change the entire > > music industry and neither did ARR. > > > > > > Quote: Himesh's songs were liked more by those listeners than thsi but > > that didn't alter anything about Himesh. > > > > Why bring Himesh into this picture? There are people who think the world > > of Himesh's music, I'm sure. I don't see the reason to argue with them. > > But no one has ever compared Himesh's albums to ARR's. They are poles > > apart. And just because of one CW, you start comparing ARR to Himesh? > > Coming to think of it, do you seriously think that by composing CW, > > those who had great views on ARR are going to treat him differently now? > > > > I can understand when ARR's critics find CW as a punching bag to prove > > their point. It's a known fact that the critics would bad-mouth the > > least creative number in the album. What's more, it's expected from > > them. Nevertheless, I seriously can't find reasons why a person who > > claims to be ARR's fan would resort to such actions too. > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/18/09, V S Rawat /<vsra...@gmail.com<vsrawat%40gmail.com>>/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com <vsrawat%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: [arr] Such Bull! > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > On 10/18/2009 7:14 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > People can talk all they want here, create however much noise they > > > want, and bash Chiggy Wiggy all they want. Fine. I still like the > > > song. So shoot me. I don't care if the whole damn world hates the > > > song. I like it. > > > > > Is it a masterpiece? No. It's a fun dance song. > > > But, I guess for some here, liking a fun, simple, dance song even by > > > ARR is not acceptable. > > > > ARR has already given Pappu that was a fun, simple, dance song. > > Nobody said that it was any great song, yet that became a hit > > without needing the crutches of any Kylie. Several fun dance songs > > by other MDs are getting hit. So, people know what to like and what > > not to like. Dust has still not settled on Chiggy Wiggy, let us see > > after six months how world rates bullu and CG then. till then... > > > > > The fact that Chiggy went high on the charts > > > says that the song is liked a lot by the common listener, not by > > > everyone, by a lot. > > > > Himesh's songs were liked more by those listeners than thsi but that > > didn't alter anything about Himesh. > > > > > > > > This analysis of whether Chiggy is good or not is getting really old. > > > Leave it to personal opinion and put this to rest once and for all! > > > > -- > > Rawat > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > </mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, V S Rawat > > > <vsra...@... > wrote: > > >> On 10/18/2009 4:51 AM India Time, _Jahanzeb_ wrote: > > >> > > >>> exactly. this is what i have been saying all the time, that > > >>> Chiggy Wiggy is a huge failure of ARR. and yes though people > > >>> didn't agree that it is a "failure" but i don't remember anyone > > >>> calling it a worldclass masterpiece either. > > >>> > > >>> - Jahanzeb > > >> Yup. > > >> > > >> I think it also puts on a question mark on the credibility of this > > >> group itself that several members acted like mouthpieces and kept > > >> on praising the song endlessly and even criticized those who were > > >> criticizing the song since day one. Some are like going that way. > > >> > > >> Now, such members would say that liking or not liking a song is a > > >> personal matter and they still like it. Well, it is, still there is > > >> a thing called objectivity. When we agree that this group is > > >> considered a place to get authentic information on ARR, and some > > >> members can't even tolerate a lovely prank played by Gopal Anandan > > >> for that exact point, then we can't hide from the fact that other > > >> people might be looking at this group to get authentic feedback on > > >> the "goodness" of his songs, and all those got misguided by this > > >> group's endless advertising Chiggy Wiggy and entire bullu. > > >> > > >> The reason might be: We fans might like anything given by our man > > >> because we love our man. It is normal human psychology. We might > > >> have convinced ourselves that we are liking Chiggy Wiggy or blue on > > >> some strengths it has while ignoring some down points it is having. > > >> > > >> > > >> I hope members will learn from this and will try to be more > > >> objective in giving their future reviews/ feedbacks on future > > >> releases of ARR. > > >> > > >> Remember, wrong feebacks in this group must be presenting a wrong > > >> picture about a song/ album to ARR himself if he is accessing the > > >> group. ARR needs truth. Underved praising will harm ARR. Let's not > > >> only utter Satyamev Jayate, but also practice it. > > >> > > >>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > </mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, kishore parayath > > > >>> <kishore.parayath@ > wrote: > > >>>> This is the FIRST TIME that some OFFICIAL reviewer is calling > > >>>> an ARR track as "SECOND RATE" or cheap! > > >> Yup, it makes me sad. > > >> > > >>>> So, we must ADMIT facts! Chiggy Wiggy was certainly a MISTAKE > > >>>> from our BOSS's part, who is reverred in Bollywood and accross > > >>>> India for having created Superhuman Divine Musical wonders! > > >> Yes, we must admit that. And I really wonder why ARR remained so > > >> uncharacteristicall y unimaginative in this particular song. To put > > >> things in proper perspective, I think I find Chiggy Wiggy the only > > >> single track by ARR, out of his 800-1000 songs, that is > > >> umimaginative. May be, ARR might wish to share "the composing of > > >> Chiggy Wiggy" or something like that to tell us what went wrong in > > >> it. > > >> > > >>>> I still REMEMBER, how some fellow fans reacted when I said > > >>>> CHIGGY WIGGY was disappointing after the FIRST promo. They > > >>>> called it a worldclass masterpiece creation, and snubbed the > > >>>> fans who called it average, and expected in further albums. > > >>>> > > >>>> BOSS wont repeat mistakes. Vinnai Thaandi Varuvaaya promo makes > > >>>> all of us speechless!! Exceptional! ! > > >> Righto. Exactly. Boss' brand value remains high as ever. Chiggy > > >> Wiggy might be a first failure of him so we are facing a new > > >> situation really and we are not able to think how to accept this > > >> fact. But our trust in our man, that he had so laboriously and > > >> consistently built up through 18 years remains as high as always > > >> and we will devour each of his next releases. > > >> > > >> -- Rawat > > >
