AJ, no probs I was also responding to Taimur's post. BTW since this post I was thinking of indian-ness in AR's recent songs and here is list I actually listened to today...
1) All songs of Jodha Akbar 2) Arziyan from Delhi 6 3) Mannipaya from VTV 4) Khili re Khili re from Raavan ________________________________ From: AJ <purev...@yahoo.com> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 4:31:43 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Roja..........still sounds amazing........and my take on general trends.... Ram, I agree with you. What I meant by "Indian-ness", I mean in a traditional way and only in degrees, not black and white. Yes, there are many ARR songs today with the Indian soul, but in my opinion, over time, there has been a lessening of the traditional ethnic Indian sound, simply due to film makers creating movies that are moving away from traditional themes. It's not ARR's responsibility at all....he creates what the film demands and what directors want from him. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, mb4zap® <moinboss4...@...> wrote: > > You've hit the right chords Ram! How was Dil Se Re indian!? Or the music in > Thiruda... or most of the 90's creation! > > I am not an Indian and I never used to listen to any.. I loved ARR and for > the > first time not because of his Indian-ness. I never fell in love with any > other > musician so madly because none come close of Rahman's sheer originality and > unique brilliance! And over the years I have been and am fan of many > international artistes (i wont go on to put examples coz it would be a very, > very long listing) but never could I respect anyone more than Rahman. > > Will be waiting for you writ-up :) > > -Moin Ali > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ram Motipally <mramvina...@...> > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:05:44 PM > Subject: Re: [arr] Roja..........still sounds amazing........and my take on > general trends.... > > > Friends, I have a slightly different opinion. AJ is right, but I think we are > jumping to a conclusion here and it is very fair, its human nature. We all > are > struggling to find the answer about what is different from AR's music of the >90s > > and say now, so any answer that might sound reasonable at the surface, there > is > > a danger of one accepting it, just to get rid of the bother of the question. > I > am myself struggling to find an answer to this question...just like many of > you. > > Roja when it was released in 1990 was a path breaker in all aspects. Chinni > Chinni had a reggae rhythm. How can it be called pure Indian ? AR's > brilliance > has always been in fusing indian tunes and sounds with western genres. Songs > of > > gentleman and thiruda thiruda were equally criticized by some in the 1990s > saying they are plastic music, computer music and too western. Just go back > in > that time period and think for yourself, werent these albums way ahead of its > times in the India of the 90s ? Is nostalgia messing with our minds again ??? > I > > would like to call this sweet pain ! > > And for now, listen to VTV and the same indian ness comes through. Mannipaya > is > > pure indianness by any AR song standard. AR's repertoire has evolved and > there > is a distinct difference in his work of now from the 90s. It is different. I > will though not say one is better than the other. > > Which other music director has inflicted so much pain (sweet pain) in > analyzing > > the music and messing with our own emotions ? How can one who has suffered > this > > sweet pain, not be an AR fan ... > > I plan to write something on what AR's music means to me.....for those > interested, stay tuned.... > > Ram > > > From: Taimur Nadeem <taimur.nad...@...> > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com; purev...@... > Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 4:24:08 AM > Subject: Re: [arr] Roja..........still sounds amazing........and my take on > general trends.... > > > > > AJ you hit the bulls eye the "INDIAN A R RAHMAN" , the indian flavour in > contemporary music no matter what genre A R RAHMAN took , thats what used to > be > > in SIR'S music. that made him unique, just one in the world. that made him a > musical wizard , combining the beauty of indian music with modern themes. > > yes i miss that A R RAHMAN. but the problem is raavan d6 JA didnt had the >magic > > of that standard of music. > > > today A R RAHMAN's muisc is mixing up with west , uniqueness lacking. take >DILse > > , saaathiya , hum se hai muqabla, jeans ,thiruda thiruda contemporary indian > music at its peak . the music of these albums is completely unique . even > take > lagaan meenaxi mangal panday classic these three albums are. take Maa tijhe > salam wow wow , what contemporary masterpiece it is. > > > when A R RAHMAN used to sit in small dark studio in chennai , he produced >world > > class music, now that he has studio's in every corner of the world , he is > famous in every corner of the world , he has lost universality in his music, > i > feel . A R RAHMAN will surely return back to his indian magic one day. > > > and tell you first time i have affirmed your mail WOW. > > REGARDS, > > taimur > > --- On Mon, 8/30/10, AJ <purev...@...> wrote: > > > >From: AJ <purev...@...> > >Subject: [arr] Roja..........still sounds amazing........and my take on >general > > >trends.... > >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 2:34 AM > > > > > > > >Can't believe it.......heard Roja today after ages and the sounds are still > >so > > >clean, fresh, and breezy...not sounding that outdated at all, despite it > >being > > >18 years old. Amazing compositions for ARR's debut......melodious, sweet, > >earthy, straight to the heart. > > > > > >If there was one thing that I liked about ARR of the 90s that I don't hear >much > > >of these days is that ARR's songs back then had a lot more breathing > >room.......there was more space in the songs and the song arrangements were >not > > >as dense as they are today. The songs just breathed easier back then it > >seems, > > >if I were to make a very broad and general comparison to today's songs. ARR >also > > >used minimal loops and more spacious arrangements, so you could hear more of > >"silence" in the slower compositions. "Tu Hi Re" is a great example of that. > >I > > >hope you understand what I mean. Again, these are just observations of mine. > >I > > >like his past songs equally to his current songs in general, but there are >some > > >broad differences, signifying Rahman's evolution as an artist and adding and > >subtracting elements of his compositional style and sound over time. I am > >just > > >bowled over how NONE of his songs from the 1990s sound outdated whatsoever >even > > >today. That says volumes. > > > >One more thing......songs in those days...1990s to early 2000s in general > >were > > >more "Indian" sounding....not just with ARR, but with other MDs too. The > >trend > > >in bollywood and perhaps other industries too is to have more Western and >global > > >musical styles in film music with gradual shifting away from the ethnic > >Indian > > >flavor of songs.....not completely, but the trend is there. ARR too used to >have > > >more "ethnic Indian" sounding albums back then, even for contemporary films >like > > >Saathiya, Taal, Dil Se that were not period films. Later, the "Ethnic > >Indian" > >sound would be confined mostly to period film scores or situational numbers, >but > > >with some exceptions. Delhi 6, Raavan, and Jodha Akbar are the 3 most > >Indian > >sounding albums recently and look how beautifully all 3 music albums were > >received and raved about. I think a lot of people are missing more of the > >"Indian" Rahman. Rahman's music over time has become more "international" > >and > >less "Indian" as a general trend....again with exceptions here and there. > > > > > ------------------------------------ Are you searching for a reason, to be kind? <b> Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: ad...@arrahmanfans.com To Subscribe: arrahmanfans-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe: arrahmanfans-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
