ARInside give some great info but it sure would be nice if there was search engine/database behind it. That would just about make it the ultimate tool.
On Jan 14, 2008 7:32 AM, T. Dee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I used ARInside and it is good! > > > > On 1/14/08, Misi Mladoniczky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Carey, > > > > That sounds very promising. > > > > One problem with the XML-definitions is their bulk. I doubt that it will > > be possible to to use XML-definitions for example on the whole > > ITSM7-application... > > > > The output from ARInside is not customizable, but is very good. It is > not > > open source, and I do not know how much work Stefan Nerlich currently > puts > > into the project... > > > > I would encourage you to take a look at the output from ARInside. I can > > make some sample ARInside-output available for you if you like. > > > > Best Regards - Misi, RRR AB, http://rrr.se > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > That is actually a tool that I have not spent any time with. So I can > > > not compare them directly. > > > > > > Yes both are documentation tools for ARS. ( And there are several > > > commercial products too.) > > > > > > However... a little more detail on my stuff is simply this... > > > > > > The output is totally controlled by XSLT transformations. So if a > > > person knows XSLT (or can read the existing stack of them and tweak > > > them) then they could change the output to what ever they want it to > > > do. Currently it generates HTML/Javascript for browser consumption, > > > but I can also see it being specialized into CSV file generators very > > > easily. > > > > > > So if ARInside offers that same "simple" total customization approach > > > then I guess it does do the "same things". But I doubt it is as > > > flexible as the approach that I am taking. > > > > > > I have found my tool helpful for many things over the years, but it is > > > not (by any other hands than mine) polished into a final form. So it > > > "works" as much as it does, but it is not "tested" on a larger scale > > > than my desktops too. > > > > > > FWIW: Ok.. I just went out and found a copy of ARInside out there in > > > the internet (version ARInside-Setup-2-07-2.msi to be exact) and I > > > remember why I have not used ARInside before. It requires the ".Net > > > Framework v2.x" and I do not load that on any of my PC's. So it is a > > > "no go" as far as I am concerned at that point. Which is why I have > > > never used it. > > > > > > However even at that a quick review of the 10 page pdf docs that is > > > included in that version tells me a few things are different in our > > > approaches... > > > > > > ARInside: Command line utility that appears to produce a set of > > > "output fies" that are all generated at run time. > > > my web app: Web server based: produces one output "page" at a time. ( > > > currently no "batch generate all" pages option) > > > > > > ARInside: uses ARS API > > > my web app: Only parses XML into output formats (at this time, no API > > > requirements, so in theory you could put this web application on a MAC > > > based web server and make it work too.) > > > > > > And I am sure there are other differences too... ( like maybe ARInside > > > is faster, or has better documentation, better output, or...etc...) > > > > > > So again... if anyone is interested let me know if you want to know > > > more about "my web app". (Which by the way I currently refer to > > > "arsxml" because I could not come up with a better name than that. :) > > > > > > Oh.. and did I mention that my intention was to be open sourced with > > > this project from day one? :) [ Again... like ARSDocs ] > > > > > > > > > The shortest explanation is "ARSDocs but: using Java instead of Perl, > > > and reduce time from "need information to result outputs". (and > > > totally based on open standards/needs, and "easily"(and totally) > > > customizable without "programming" skills. Well, limited to XSLT > > > skills.) > > > > > > -- > > > Carey Matthew Black > > > Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP) > > > ARS = Action Request System(Remedy) > > > > > > Love, then teach > > > Solution = People + Process + Tools > > > Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2008 7:20 AM, Mark Rushton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> ** > > >> Isn't this what ArInside does? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Mark Rushton > > >> IBM Global Services > > >> Remedy Engineering & Development Team > > >> > > >> > > >> Carey Matthew Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent by: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)" > > >> <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> > > >> > > >> 11/01/2008 11:50 > > >> > > >> Please respond to > > >> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > >> > > >> > > >> To arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > >> > > >> cc > > >> > > >> > > >> Subject Re: How to Document Workflow? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian, > > >> > > >> I have not spoke much about this... and if there were interest I > guess > > >> that could change.... > > >> > > >> I started a project a few years ago with the following goals: > > >> > > >> 1) Do what ARSDocs does, but without the hours of processing time it > > >> takes between "Oh I need to know" and "Ding. Your files are built." > > >> 2) Do what ARSDocs does, but not use ARSPerl > > >> 3) Do what ARSDocs does, but be more customizable to the end user > > >> without "programming knowledge" > > >> > > >> I got stuck with my approach do to some technical bumps that I have > > >> not had time to fix, but it works. > > >> > > >> Long story short.... > > >> > > >> I put together a JSP/Servlet based web application that takes an ARS > > >> XML def file and produces lists/pages of the details of the objects. > I > > >> can not say that the application is "easy to setup", or that it is > > >> more than at an alpha stage... but if anyone is interested... I > think > > >> I could find a place to publish it and give you a shot at helping me > > >> figure out what needs fixed first. Mostly performance issues with > > >> parsing XML. :) It should work on any Mid-Tier compatible web > server, > > >> but currently does not use any BMC API code. Maybe some day it will, > > >> but not yet. > > >> > > >> As a quick idea of what it can do.... For a given XML file... > > >> > > >> Objects All > > >> Forms > > >> Form_Permissions > > >> Views > > >> Fields > > >> Active Links > > >> Filters > > >> Escalations > > >> Containers > > >> Menus > > >> Actions All > > >> only_ActiveLinks > > >> only_Macros > > >> only_Filters > > >> only_Escalations > > >> only_Messages > > >> only_Notifications > > >> only_RunProcess > > >> > > >> Hide/show based on (Enabled/Disabled/Both) objects in all lists. > > >> Link from a field in a Set field action to all other workflow that > > >> references that field. (According to the XML file that is being > > >> processed.) > > >> > > >> Then each of those "list pages" has links to other detail pages... > and > > >> so on .. and so on... > > >> > > >> Note: Their are likely v6.3 and v7.1 XML changes that need to be > > >> adjusted for still, but I started this in v5.1.2 so that should be > no > > >> surprise. :) > > >> > > >> A word of caution... I doubt this will work with large ARS > > >> applications. ( The xml file is just to big to process exactly this > > >> way. Your Servlet container settings may need to be adjusted (max > ram > > >> = 5 x <size of largest XML file you want to parse> appears to be a > > >> good starting point.) So YMMV. > > >> > > >> > > >> But if there is interest I think I could publish it and see if > anyone > > >> out there would be willing to help improve it too. (The > offer/request > > >> for help is not limited to Brian.) > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Carey Matthew Black > > >> Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP) > > >> ARS = Action Request System(Remedy) > > >> > > >> Love, then teach > > >> Solution = People + Process + Tools > > >> Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... 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