He also said that in July - so the city hall homeless shelter may be a
recent phenomenon as well.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nothing that meets the "definition" of homeless shelter? He's doing
> some word splitting there.
>
> He's being an advocate for them.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpoulard" <rogerpoulard@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Welcome Roger.
> > >
> > > I don't know about 7 homeless shelters, but there were not zero
> > > either.
> > >
> > > The state lists Interfaith Neighbors as an emergency shelter. I
> > > don't know if that is right, but if not, they should notify the
> > > state.
> >
> > The information I got on that was from Jim Keady's blog in July of
> 06.
> > Here's the quote:
> > "In their literature, the group "Stand Up For Asbury" wrongly
> states
> > that, "There are 7 other shelters in Asbury Park that have
> overnight
> > sleeping quarters for the homeless." And the Coaster printed that
> > information in their July 13th edition without any fact-checking, I
> > later learned. There are not 7 shelters in Asbury Park. There are
> > currently NO shelters in Asbury Park that offer overnight sleeping
> > quarters for the homeless. There are seven agencies that offer
> > services for the homeless and transitional residential housing for
> > specific populations (abused women, HIV/AIDS, etc.) but there is no
> > agency currently operating in Asbury Park that would meet the
> loosest
> > definition of a homeless shelter."
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Also, I know City Hall was running a homeless shelter recently,
> > > which I did see with my own eyes.
> > >
> > >
> > > I went and interviewed some of the people at the City Hall
> shelter.
> > > Not one of them was from Asbury. One even told me that cops as
> far
> > > away as New Brunswick were buying the homeless train tickets to
> > > Asbury Park to send the homeless to our shelter. That's how he
> had
> > > gotten here. Your concerns in that regard are well founded.
> >
> > Well, here's my concern - if this is happening and we can document
> it,
> > why isn't Asbury Park taking action to make the other
> municipalities
> > take care of their own homeless issue. Why isn't Asbury Park suing
> New
> > Brunswick to recover the costs of taking care of this homeless
> > situation? What is the city government doing to have this
> addressed at
> > the state level in Trenton?
> >
> > >
> > > Regarding your quotes about the amount of sex offenders in the
> area
> > > now - I don't see how that helps your case here. If we had no
> rapes
> > > in Asbury Park, then I could see your point. Since we do have
> rapes
> > > each year, I think citing those statistics supports my argument
> that
> > > we should not be attracting more rapists.
> > >
> > > The problem is putting these folks in a residential
> neighborhood.
> > > It shouldn't be. This little beach town has done enough. Time
> for
> > > someone else to do some heavy lifting.
> >
> > According to the Stand Up For Asbury website, the area is zoned for
> > "Light Industrial" and not residential. Although there is housing
> > nearby (in a city of 1.4 square miles, I don't see how its possible
> > for there not to be) it is not being placed in a zoned residential
> area.
> >
> > I think my statistics may support an argument for ordinances to
> > prohibit sex offenders for living within a certain distance of a
> > school or park but not for the creation of a homeless shelter. The
> > city could work with MSM to create a shelter that will have a
> positive
> > outcome for our homeless population.
> >
> > Although I would love other municipalities in this area to do heavy
> > lifting, it's pretty apparent that nobody else is willing to. Maybe
> > its my catholic background, but I just don't think we should stop
> > helping because we've "done enough" as a community. Most people
> that
> > have moved to Asbury Park in the past was well aware of these
> problems
> > before they bought property here... and just because a ton of money
> > and fresh paint finds its way to the streets of Asbury doesn't mean
> > that the problems just disappear either.
> >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpoulard"
> <rogerpoulard@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > I've lived in Asbury Park for about a year now. I've been
> > > attracted to
> > > > this community because of its mix and seeming compassion for
> the
> > > less
> > > > fortunate that live here. I haven't followed the Market Street
> > > Mission
> > > > project terribly closely but I've kept my eye on it. Because I
> > > support
> > > > it, mostly.
> > > >
> > > > I had some concerns about the "Stand Up For Asbury"
> organization
> > > from
> > > > the beginning. When I went to the website, they originally
> talked
> > > > about there being seven homeless shelters in Asbury Park, an
> > > > overestimation by seven. Once I discovered that, there was
> little
> > > on
> > > > that website I felt I could believe.
> > > >
> > > > There are reservations that I feel towards this specific
> > > > organization's plans - especially in the area of religious
> > > inculcation
> > > > to house homeless people in need of a bed, but its something I
> can
> > > > live with. I also have concerns with bussing in other homeless
> > > people,
> > > > especially if it is at the expense of the homeless population
> in
> > > > Asbury Park, which is pretty sizeable for the size of our city.
> > > >
> > > > I think that there are a lot of concerns that can be mediated
> out
> > > with
> > > > the construction of a homeless shelter in Asbury - no matter
> who
> > > the
> > > > operators are, by creating a set of regulations to abide by in
> our
> > > > city. Helping to create something that can give some respite
> to our
> > > > own homeless issue can be a positive for our community, and
> dare I
> > > > suggest, may also reduce the amount of human crap found in our
> > > parks -
> > > > as I've read about on this list.
> > > >
> > > > As for fearing sex offenders jumping into Asbury for "ripe
> > > pickings"
> > > > as some people would like to think is going to happen... there
> are
> > > > currently 31 Sex Offenders currently living in the Asbury Park
> > > area.
> > > > There are 20 more in Ocean Grove/Neptune Township. Those are
> just
> > > the
> > > > ones that we know about. Is there a chance that more sex
> offenders
> > > > will end up within our city limits due to this homeless
> shelter?
> > > Yes.
> > > > But put a new playground in somewhere, and we probably run a
> > > similar
> > > > risk.
> > > >
> > > > Decisions to make this project a reality in AP should be based
> on
> > > > whether or not it will help our own homeless population
> problem,
> > > and
> > > > whether or not we can work with the mission's program to
> create a
> > > > system that will be a net positive to our city. So, my
> unanswered
> > > > question is this: how receptive have the Market Street Mission
> folk
> > > > been to working with the city to create a homeless shelter
> program
> > > > that will benefit all of us? Or is this an avenue we've left
> > > unexplored?
> > > >
> > > > Roger Poulard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > > > > One of these scumbags raped a girl less than 13 years
> old.
> > > The
> > > > > > other raped an adult woman.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neither one of these guys committed their crimes in
> > > Morristown. Not
> > > > > > even in Morris County. Yet these predators found their
> way to
> > > > > > Morristown why? Because the shelter attracted them there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The shelter in Asbury will attract the same kind of
> pedophilia
> > > > > > rapists here, and the Mission will let them in.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been awol for a while. On trial for 2 weeks. I'm with
> you
> > > on
> > > > > this Tom. Mission is bad for AP.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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