C'da
Is it what I said about Indian engineering colleges
not training
their students to be creative ? If that is what
bothers you, why
don't YOU tell us HOW I was wrong about that
statement? That would
put me in my place.
since it was YOU who made the comment the burden is on
you to proved the point. We have shown numerous
examples of how Indian Engineers who studied in India
are shining in India and abroad.
Furthermore, just because I faulted Indian
engineering institutions
of failing to inculcate creativity among their
students, does not
necessarily mean that ALL engineers everywhere else
are CREATIVE or
above errors of judgement or could not be guilty of
incompetence.
If you admit that there is a blend of Creative and
non-Creative Engineers everywhere, the debate ends
Nor does the fact of one or even many Indian
engineers excelling in
their fields and doing highly creative work in the
USA or in India
mean that my comment is without any merit.
A few
exceptions cannot
change the truths of the vast majority.
To prove merit of your statement YOU need to support
your statement with documentation. How dod you say
that your version is the "truth" ???
Indian students including Graduate engineers are
highly acclaimed in many US institutes. Guess under
which educational system they had their basic
education ?
Just because of the lapses on one or more instances
> resulting in the
Minneapolis bridge failure for example, does not
mean that it is
absent everywhere in the USA. Nor does it mean that
since such
absence is widespread in India, as is evidenced by
the percentage of
failures, India's situation the SAME as that of the
USA.
No one probably claims that India's situation is SAME
as that of US. There are areas where India is worse
then US and there are areas where US is worse then
India. However, unlike your tall claims, "checks and
balances" DO fail in US too; corruption is NOT
something which is absent in US.
Similarly, not everything in India is bad. India is
developing fast and there are improvements in
different areas but I agree, with eyes closed by
India-Hate, it is difficult to see.
*** You sure know where to hit a guy where it hurts,
don't you :-)?
I have been in Assamnet long enough to learn a few
tricks from you :)
Finally the following latest news on the Big Dig
failure in our local paper.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/3075F8E291AEA88386257332000A1983?OpenDocument
I hope the above will put your suspicions about my
spinning that story .
Please check this .... a more authoratitive source I
would believe
....http://boston.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel06/contractorfraud050406.htm
Note -- "They are charged with highway project fraud
and related offenses for their participation in a
scheme to provide concrete to Big Dig projects that
did not meet contract specifications, and to conceal
the true nature of the concrete through false
documentation."
I think "concealing the true nature through false
documents" is corruption. May be your superlative
English knowledge will interpret it as "human error" !
Even from your source -- "Powers Fasteners knew the
type of epoxy it marketed and sold for the nearly $15
billion project was unsuitable for the weight it would
have to hold, but never told project managers." -- it
is eveident that some people concealed some KNOWN
facts .... human error indeed :)
It is difficult to digest that a person who will
travel to the other end of World (or World Wide Web)
to find a fault in Indian System (or Indians) failed
to notice this :)
Once again you abstained from answering many of the
questions from my posting ... but again , this is not
the first time !
K
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Looks like you want to avoid answering these
since then you might
>have to eat up some of your >words on Indian
Engineers. I would not
>insist you to answer these.
*** Now I get it! You are trying to find ways to
have me ">--eat up
some of your words on Indian Engineers". I must have
caused a lot of
heart-burn again, did I?
But the question that remains unanswered is WHAT I
supposedly said
about Indian engineers that trouble you so and would
like to have me
'eat them' ?
Is it what I said about Indian engineering colleges
not training
their students to be creative ? If that is what
bothers you, why
don't YOU tell us HOW I was wrong about that
statement? That would
put me in my place. I know you are somewhat
handicapped by not being
an engineer . Perhaps some of our own IIT engineers
here will give
you a hand with that, with solid examples of how I
was wrong.
Furthermore, just because I faulted Indian
engineering institutions
of failing to inculcate creativity among their
students, does not
necessarily mean that ALL engineers everywhere else
are CREATIVE or
above errors of judgement or could not be guilty of
incompetence.
Nor does the fact of one or even many Indian
engineers excelling in
their fields and doing highly creative work in the
USA or in India
mean that my comment is without any merit. A few
exceptions cannot
change the truths of the vast majority.
And your complaints about my references to
'checks-and-balances' ,
which in these posts you seem to be switching back
and forth as being
the same as accountability, incorrectly; is a highly
> misplaced one.
Checks and balances are critical and accountability
indispensable in
ensuring quality of performance.
Just because of the lapses on one or more instances
resulting in the
Minneapolis bridge failure for example, does not
mean that it is
absent everywhere in the USA. Nor does it mean that
since such
absence is widespread in India, as is evidenced by
the percentage of
failures, India's situation the SAME as that of the
USA.
Your need to see me swallow my words therefore, is
rooted both on
your inability to look at the issues analytically as
well as that
damned English language and comprehension of it.
>First, I have ABSOLUTELY NO concern that "the
gullible or the
>uninformed may believe what you >wrote" .... you
know it very well
>that you have no takers in AssamNet.
*** You sure know where to hit a guy where it hurts,
don't you :-)?
But then again; "Moinw ki twmar paani-khwa pukhurit
bih dhalilw' (
what poison did I pour in your drinking water pond,
literally) to
cause so much displeasure ?
Finally the following latest news on the Big Dig
failure in our local paper.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/3075F8E291AEA88386257332000A1983?OpenDocument
I think there is an error on the dollar amount in
the last sentence
in of that story that says: The maximum penalty for
a company charged
with manslaughter in Massachusetts is $1,000.
The 1000 dollar limit is highly unlikely.
I hope the above will put your suspicions about my
spinning that story .
Take care.
At 9:12 AM -0700 8/8/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
wrote:
> > *** That is not something to apologize for.
However
>> some of the issues I have been speaking about
are
>> fundamental to all engineering fields. That is
why I
>> am more than a bit surprised by your
unfamiliarity.
>> It goes to show that even an IIT software
>> engineering graduate( that is only an educated
>> guess) like yourself are quite oblivious of what
>> other engineers do or are expected to be able to
do,
>> in the Indian context and not necessarily for
> >> exporting them to serve the needs of developed
>> countries.
>
>-- Your Educated guess did not click ..... forget
>about IIT, strictly speaking, I am not at all a
>engineer .... did my B Sc from Cotton and MCA from
AEC
>and somehow managed a fairly decent job and
surviving
>...... just another "susuri musuri pass kora" case.
>
>However, I do not think it takes an engineer to
>understand that a bridge might collapse for n -
number
>of reasons including design, poor construction,
poor
>management etc.
>BUT the point is with Creative Bright Engineers
and
>all the Checks and Balances that you never stop
>talking about none of these failures should
ideally
>happen. Since the bridge has collapsed , either
the
>engineers are NOT Bright enough OR there are some
>holes in your "checks & balances". Do you think
there
>are other possible reasons?
>
>I am not sure if IIT Engineers are Expected to
Design
>a Bamboo Bridge and who set those expectations.
>Unfortunately, India does not run on expectations
set
>by you. As I mentioned earlier, you have NO
knowledge
>on today's India. Because these Engineers did not
>listen to your suggestions, the Indian GDP is
>improving leaps and bounds.
>Santanu-da can probably explain why the US Dollar
is
>sharply getting devalued against Indian Rupee.
>
>> That brings us back to your questions and
responses.
>> They are all over the place, and while I can and
>> would be pleased to respond them, it would be
far
>> better to first pin down WHAT exactly it is that
you
>> are trying to prove or disprove with your
>> inquisition.
>>
>> I realize you disagree with some of what I
wrote.
>> But it also musty have caused you concern that
the
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