Good points KC. C'da's other point
>>*** The 'country' does not exist. It is a figment of idle imaginations. If it did, it wouldn't be in the shambles it is. >> So the question of a country within a country does not arise. I know he just wants *India* to go away, somehow. Wonder whose vivid imagination we are talking about. :-). If I could wave a magic wand, I would try to wave India away - just for C'da :-) On the issue of autonomy itself, as you pointed out, each and every other yahoo group out there wants a piece of the real estate - and all for themselves, & themselves only. But it doesn't stop there. Many of these want all the money they can get from the hated Center, and they want to be coddled. --Ram da On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_...@yahoo.com > wrote: > > Continuing from what C’da posted (who are we to dictate what the Nagas want > or what the Kashmiris want or what Bodos want.) … who are Mahantas to > dictate what Dekas want OR who are Barpetias to dictate what Nalbarias want > … drill down further --- who are Ulubarians to dictate what Uzanbazarians > want etc. > > On his other comment (Only the incurably pretentious would want to tell > them what they should be happy with), we do know some Naga groups will be > happy with a greater Nagalim including parts of Assam and some Bodo groups > , a Bodoland carved out of Assam. There are other groups which will be > happy with parts of Assam. Are you going to make all these groups happy ? > > *********************************************************************** > Let's take the ' bottom line to the logical conclusion. > We will have > Dekaland,Kalitaland,Bodoland,Rabhaland,Tiwaland,Dimasaland,Misingland,Islamistan---ad > infinitum. > Now,we have created another 'bottom line'---WHERE WILL 'ULFALAND' FIT > IN THEIR MIDST. > CONFUSION WORSE CONFOUNDED!!! > KJD > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> > wrote: > > The bottom line is: > > > > > >>DO WE REALLY NEED ANY OTHER DEFINITION OF AUTONOMY? A PERFECT EXAMPLE > >>OF A COUNTRY WITHIN A COUNTRY!!!! > > > > > > *** The 'country' does not exist. It is a figment of idle imaginations. > If it did, it wouldn't be in the shambles it is. > > So the question of a country within a country does not arise. > > > > > > *** The second thing is that who are we to dictate what the Nagas want or > what the Kashmiris want or what Bodos want. > > Only the incurably pretentious would want to tell them what they should > be happy with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:24 PM, kamal deka wrote: > > > >> Take a look at the' Naga- Indian' imbroglio.Article 371A ( the > >> Constitution was amended to accommodate that) provides various > >> safeguards for Nagaland.These include a provision whereby no Act of > >> Parliament in respect of the religious or social practices of > >> Nagas,Naga customary law and procedure,administration of civil and > >> criminal justice involving decisions according to Naga customary law > >> and ownership and transfer of land shall apply to the state.IS THERE > >> ANY REASON,AFTER PROCURING ALL OF THE ABOVE( READ AUTONOMY),WHY NAGA > >> IDENTITY OR CULTURE OR OTHER NAGA INTERESTS SHOULD BE INJURED OR > >> ERODED ? > >> And yet,NSCN proclaimed its motto to be "NAGALAND FOR CHRIST".The NSCN > >> manifesto exclaims that Nagas are " DIFFERENT FROM OTHER INDIANS > >> BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS and they could lose their identity " in an > >> ocean of Hindus and other non-christians in India,completely > >> sidestepping the fact that India is a secular state in which freedom > >> of worship is guaranteed by the Constitution.An valid arguement can be > >> made by citing the fact that for every Christian in Nagaland,there are > >> almost 20 elsewhere in the country.The MAR THOMAS CHURCH OF KERALA IS > >> ONE OF THE VERY OLDEST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND IT HAS FLOURISHED FOR > >> 1940 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE TOLERANCE AND RESPECT SHOWN BY THE PEOPLE > >> BELONGING TO OTHER FAITHS.AND IF ASSURANCE WERE NEEDED,THIS IS TO BE > >> FOUND IN THE INCREASE IN NAGALAND'S OWN CHRISTIAN POPULATION SINCE > >> 1947. > >> > >> Now take a look at the custom-made Article 370 which mandates that > >> the applicability of every law of the Indian Parliament to J&K > >> requires i. consultation with the J&K government if the subject matter > >> of the law pertains to defence or external affairs or communications, > >> and ii. concurrence of the J&K government if the law pertains to > >> subjects other than defence or external affairs or communications. No > >> other state in India has such privilege. That is why the Indian Penal > >> Code, the Prevention of Corruption Act and rules framed for the > >> Central Bureau of Investigation are among the several Parliamentary > >> enactments which are simply not in vogue in J&K. > >> > >> As bad as that, if not worse, is the fact that many provisions of the > >> Constitution of India are either i. simply not applicable to J&K state > >> or ii. are applicable to J&K only in a modified form or iii. subsumed > >> by the provisions of the J&K constitution. > >> > >> Further, as in the case a Parliamentary law, application to J&K of a > >> provision of the Indian Constitution requires consultation/consent of > >> the J&K government depending upon the subject of the constitutional > >> provision. Again, no other state in India has such a privilege of > >> saying 'Yes' or 'No' to a constitutional measure. > >> > >> J&K is the only state in India -- > >> Where a distinction has been permitted to be made between state > >> citizens (designated as 'permanent residents') and other Indian > >> citizens (who are not 'permanent residents') and where -- contrary to > >> the principles of equality before the law (Article 14), prohibition of > >> discrimination on the ground of place of birth (Article 15) and > >> equality of opportunity in public employment (Article 16), -- laws are > >> permissible to confer special rights and privileges on 'permanent > >> residents' with respect to employment under the state government, > >> acquisition of immovable property in the state, settlement in the > >> state and right to scholarships as well as other state government aid > >> > >> Ø whose area, boundaries and name cannot be altered without the > >> consent of the state government > >> > >> Ø whose legislative assembly has a tenure of six years > >> > >> Ø where no amendment of the Indian constitution shall have effect > >> without consulting/securing concurrence of the state government even > >> in regard to disposition of the state through a treaty with another > >> country > >> > >> Ø whose government's request or concurrence is needed for Delhi > >> to declare emergency for reasons only of internal disturbance in the > >> state (Article 352) > >> > >> Ø where emergency declared under Article 356 can become > >> applicable without suspending the machinery of the state constitution > >> > >> Ø where fiscal emergency cannot be declared (Article 360) > >> > >> Ø where provisions for the Anglo-Indian community and minorities > >> do not apply. > >> > >> DO WE REALLY NEED ANY OTHER DEFINITION OF AUTONOMY? A PERFECT EXAMPLE > >> OF A COUNTRY WITHIN A COUNTRY!!!! > >> > >> KJD > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> The PM recently made a remark about being open to discussing the issue > of > >>> autonomy for Jammu & Kashmir (within the ambit of the Constitution). > >>> > >>> Maybe someone knows, but what exactly is the meaning of 'autonomy' as > held > >>> by the PM? By the time politicos & spin masters get through with it, > >>> the meaning of autonomy will look nothing like what the dictionary > says. > >>> > >>> > >>> This from the TOI > >>> > >>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-Manmohans-autonomy-remark-wont-help-solve-Kashmir-problem-Pak/articleshow/6299668.cms > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> assam at assamnet.org > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> assam at assamnet.org > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > assam at assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
