Ram:

 > Schools ought to be like secular
governments, where religion is kept separate from their activities.

Just my thoughts


*** I agree.

But if that is how you feel, why all the related stuff you wave even when you don't believe in :-)?

Somehow the entire Hindu-secularists ( the oxymoron that is) are defined by that : They don't really believe in it, but still wave it around. It destroys their credibility, don't you think :-).

c-da





At 12:21 PM -0500 6/12/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Umesh,

Yes, this faith stuff is all over the universities. I really do not
see any value for their presence in convocations. A Religious studies
department should be sufficient. Schools ought to be like secular
governments, where religion is kept separate from their activities.

Just my thoughts

--Ram da

On 6/12/05, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I think all Univs have chaplains of different faiths to say the commencement
 prayer. It depends upon whose trun it is that day. At Harvard's this year
 -it was the turn of the Christian chaplain, maybe next year it be of some
 other faith.
 Every day of the week a different faith's chaplain says the paryers in the
 prayer hall-atleast at Harvard.

 Umesh

 Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 C'da,

 I know news items like these are rather hard to digest:-)

 Honestly, IMHO, I think the whole thing is a bit over the top.
 Hinduism (or any other religion) does not and should not need an MIT
 or the White House to give its blessings.

 I don't think it served any purpose (for Hinduism or MIT) - except
 maybe to cause some discomfort to the Hindu/India bashers:-)

 --Ram

 On 6/12/05, Chan Mahanta wrote:
 > At 6:34 PM -0500 6/11/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
 > Here is some interesting bit of news from the halls of MIT. Hope itdoesn't
 > gag those netters who find everything wrong with India orHinduism.
 >
 > *** That was very timely.
 >
 > You really delivered a 'jen-kukur-ten-tangwn' wham to these ne'er-do-good
 > anti_indian, hindu-bashers. Making them gag in their own bilious blabber
 is
 > too kind a treatment for them and who deserve much worse.
 >
 > I mean just look at it, even MIT has, at long last, incorporated Hindu
 > chants
 > in their convocation invocations, thus purifying, in one fell swoop, all
 the
 > sins of commission and omission of the Hindu, something that even a deep
 > steep in the Ganga could not do.
 >
 > Time for all good Hindus of the world to rise and rejoice and for the
 > hindu-bashers to, at the very least, take a bow, if not offer a
 > 'xastange-pronipaat' with appropriate 'dokkhina' to the Brahman so they
 too
 > can reach Brahman.
 >
 > C-da :-)
 >
 >
 >
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 >
 >
 > Nevertheless hope y'all enjoy it.
 > --Ram______________________________________Issue Date:
 > Sunday, June 12, 2005Shanti, shanti rings out in MIT K.P. NAYAR
 Washington,
 > June 11: Five years after a Hindu priest gave the openingprayer on Capitol
 > Hill for the first time in the history of the USCongress, the
 Massachusetts
 > Institute of Technology (MIT) has followedsuit.
 > The 139th commencement ceremony of MIT, which has produced 59 NobelPrize
 > winners in all, began this year with an invocation in Sanskritand English.
 > "May we come together for a common purpose. Common be ourprayer, common
 our
 > goal," prayed Swami Tyagananda.
 > "May the one and the same Divine Reality lead us. May we be grantedclear
 > understanding and the courage to pursue the goals of socialjustice,
 > non-violence, harmony and peace."
 > The swami, who belongs to the Ramakrishna order and heads its
 Bostonbranch,
 > is MIT's Hindu chaplain. He has been in Boston since 1998,assigned to the
 > Vedanta Society there.
 > The presence of Swami Tyagananda apart, India was all over theceremony,
 > > reflecting the dominant presence of Indian and IndianAmerican students at
 > prestigious US educational institutions. Amongthe speakers was Barun
 Singh,
 > president of the Graduate StudentCouncil, who saluted the Class of 2005.
 > "We celebrate the hope and promise of times to come in the world weall
 > share. You have demonstrated the ability to reason. Be open
 tounconventional
 > solutions. Keep alive your passion and drive. The worldneeds this, and it
 > waits for you," Singh said.
 > The president of the senior class presented MIT's president,
 SusanHockfield,
 > with a senior class gift - $31,000 this year - for a newstudent lounge.
 The
 > senior class president's name is Rohit Gupta.
 > Senior class gift is a tradition at MIT. Since 1935, they have so
 farraised
 > $138.56 million for MIT.
 > An Indian American from California, Sandhya Sitaraman, a brain
 andcognitive
 > sciences major, was among those graduating this year. Shewas a resident
 > academic adviser for three years at MIT's women's dorm,McCormick Hall.
 > "When I was accepted to MIT, many boys were surprised that a girlcould get
 > accepted to this institution," Sitaraman said. "My fouryears here have
 been
 > absolutely wonderful in terms of helping me growas an individual, and I
 > leave this place with many fond memories."
 > MIT said in a press release that the invocation in Sanskrit andEnglish
 > "reflected the large international crowd's spirit of unity andgoodwill" at
 > the commencement ceremony of this venerable institution.
 > Reflecting the diversity of the occasion, the chaplain said in hisprayer:
 > "May the one and the same Divine Reality who is the Father inheaven of the
 > Christians, Holy One of the Jewish faith, Allah of theMuslims, Buddha of
 the
 > Buddhists, Dao of the Chinese faith, AhuraMazda of the Zoroastrians, The
 > Great Spirit of the Native Americansand Brahman of the Hindus, lead us
 from
 > ignorance to knowledge, fromdarkness to light, from death to immortality."
 > He began his invocation with a quote from Swami Vivekananda thatsuited the
 > occasion: "Education is the manifestation of the perfectionalready within
 > us." He concluded with the chant, shanti, shanti,shanti.
 > The opening prayer at the US Congress by a Hindu priest in 2000 was onthe
 > occasion of then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's
 > visit.Venkatachalpathi Samuldrala, a priest from the Shiva Vishnu
 > Hindutemple in Parma, Ohio, was brought to Capitol Hill at the
 initiativeof
 > Sherrod Brown, a Congressman from Ohio.
 > During this year's Commencement ceremony, 1,094 MIT students
 > receivedbachelor's degrees, 1,078 received master's degrees, 257
 > gotdoctorates and 12 students were given engineering degrees, accordingto
 an
 > MIT press release.
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