I would agree, the equipment is what let the hacker in. In this case, a weak 
voicemail password likely. Not AllStream.

But I think that's being a little too easy on AllStream in this case.

The number of lines/trunks they have purchased/sold contradicts the line 
capacity they delivered. For example if they have eight employees, they are 
told to purchase eight lines. They purchased a number of lines so they could 
place that many phone calls. What's happened is that an insane amount of volume 
(24,000+ minutes) was done using only three phone lines, in a 14.5 hour window. 
Dozens of simultaneous phone calls... on only three lines. Because AllSteam 
allows this hookswitch feature?

As well, the client usually spends under $1,000 a month on their total bill. At 
what time is it reasonable for AllStream's monitoring system to go off and for 
someone to cut off the service? 4 times the usual volume? 4 times usual volume 
per month within an hour? High Volumes, in a suspicious pattern that's never 
happened on those lines before? And obvious exploit that happens daily? This 
should have been stopped within an hour or two... not 14.5 hours later. Not 
dozens of simultaneous calls, on only three lines, over 14 hours, that's never 
happened before. In the middle of the night. That's just negligence on their 
part.

AllStream is making money off of this fraud, at full price. I am certain that 
we'll be able to get some discount on it (in good faith), but even half the 
price is too much and they are still profiting from fraud. There must be a 
reasonable rate to pay. I'm sure that AllStream will report it as fraud and get 
it credited back to themselves in some shape or form. Hell, the same calls 
using Unlimitel would have been less than 1/10th of the price (and Unlimitel 
makes their profit off that). And I'm sure they would have shut it down in a 
matter of minutes... not hours.

Should AllStream make a profit on fraud? Should they even get paid for fraud? 
It's not in their best interest to stop it.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Nabeel Jafferali [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: January-29-10 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [on-asterisk] Long distance fraud... $24,000+

>From one past experience - since the issue was with the customer's
equipment, they were held liable for the call charges (which, to be honest,
sounds logical - unfortunately).

--
Nabeel Jafferali
X2 Networks Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: January-29-10 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [on-asterisk] Long distance fraud... $24,000+

Anyone have any experience with large long distance phone bills ($20k) that
are fraudulent? The phone system was compromised via dial in / call
transfers. Overseas calls made.

Specifically how to not have to pay All Stream because of it? What's the
common practice and outcome? I mean, I would imagine that All Stream would
get their costs back out of it eventually, how can they pass that onto their
client? How can I go about getting them to zero it out?

Regards,

Chuck Mariotti



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