rgro;697625 Wrote: > Darrell---A respectful disagreement, in my book, should always be, > itself, respected. > > However, while I'm quite lazy and loathe to go back through all 185 > pages of postings, I cannot really recall that anyone here has made a > claim of any of these mods being science (to be sure, there have been > claims of differences heard--an opinion). There have been plenty of > claims that the mods are not. > > To wit: A number of folks claim that some of these mods, to their own > ears, make their music sound different/better. A number of other > people have said that until there is scientific proof (i.e. double > blind testing, etc.) that, as a result of these mods, their music > sounds better/different, these claims of improvements are simply a > matter of opinion and not fact. > > What several posters have been saying is why not just leave it at that? > Most people who feel that they do hear a positive change seem quite > content to leave it at that. Nobody here is forcing anyone to make > these mods nor attempting the charge exorbitant prices to convince you > that these mods are "the next big thing" in audio. So why not just > leave these poor sods to live happily in their unproven world of > Soundcheck's mods? > > My recollection is that people like SBGK, Soundcheck, Magiccarpetride, > GuidoF, etc. have simply come here and stated that they hear something > different. As I also recall, the overarching comments have been "try > them---if they don't make any difference, reverse them". Again, no > harm, no foul. I will grant that some of the claims have contained > some hyberbole, as have some of the counterclaims--both sides are > guilty. > > I personally find the server, TCP/IP stuff, and cable tweaks out of my > "comfort zone" and have no interest in trying them, so I won't. But I > certainly don't begrudge nor wish to attempt to muzzle those who > will--as long as what is being said is said civilly and with respect to > those who have a different point of view. > > And, to Darrell: While I agree with some of what you said about not > all opinions being equally valid, please tell me how our liking the > qualities of one sound over another is NOT opinion. Some aspects of > this are measurable, to be sure, but whether or not we LIKE, or > prefer, the sound quality of one speaker/amplifier/dac/soundcheck mod > over another is surely ONLY a matter of our personal opinion no matter > what the devices measure, empirically. And because those are opinions > of preference, like food, wine, composers, bands, etc., most of those > sorts of opinions are, indeed, valid. > > The real battles have arisen here because the scientist-minded among > this community have demanded proof of something that nobody's > particularly interested in proving scientifically. > > And, in fact, the clear message has been: "if you can't prove it, don't > say it". I DO find that strident and, as a general tenet of my personal > philosophy, object to those who take that approach. I am perfectly > capable of doing my own research, paying attention to those folks who's > opinions I respect, doing my own evaluations, and coming to my own > conclusions. I DON'T brook someone insulting me for going through that > process and coming up with an answer (or opinion) that is not the same > as theirs. > > The [non-science] folks in this small little corner of things, are > perfectly content to leave these mods unproven. There's no intent that > I've seen to proselytize this out to the general world of audio nor to > cast aspersions on those who elect not to try them. > > Again, I would say: if you don't like the content of this thread, > ignore it. I have no problem whatsoever with folks posting contrary > opinion or reminding others of what the objective perspective is. But, > at the least, respect the wishes of the rest who wish to dwell here, are > well aware that these mods are not objectively proven, and would, > nonetheless, like to continue to have these discussions.
Hi rgro, I've quickly skimmed your post, but it deserves careful reading and a considered response. It's too late tonight, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow. You make some very interesting points, though, maybe I shouldn't have asked for the topic to be closed... -- darrell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
