They are.

  - mark


On 30 Mar 2017, at 9:16 AM, Colin Collum <crcol...@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Strictly speaking the tests involved in aviation medicals are screening 
> rather than diagnostic and as such should not be billed to the health system 
> but paid for directly by the recipient.
> Regards,
> Colin
> From: Aus-soaring <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au> on behalf of Jo 
> Pocklington <jopockling...@bigpond.com>
> Sent: 29 March 2017 16:15:35
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March
>  
> Not only the RAMPC, AvMed creates an impost on the Australian health system 
> with unnecessary tests in relation to Class 2 applications. Former CASA 
> Director of Aviation Medicine, from 1988 to 1997, Dr Robert Liddell stated in 
> his Aviation Safety Regulation Review Submission (Feb 2014) that:  "... When 
> their DAME and their specialist believe they meet the risk target for 
> certification without endless further testing demanded by CASA and the advice 
> of their own specialist is ignored by the regulator then pilots lose 
> confidence in the regulator...".  Regards Jo
>   <>
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
> Of Greg Wilson
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 3:58 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March
>  
> For those of you wishing to email your AVMED discussion response to the 
> minister, his email address is 
> 
> Darren Chester MP<darren.chester...@aph.gov.au 
> <mailto:darren.chester...@aph.gov.au>>
> 
> You may also like to ask the transport minister to ask the Health Minister 
> (Hon Greg Hunt MP – Minister for Health and Minister for Sport) about the 
> impact on testing for the onerous RAMPC on medical GPs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Greg Wilson
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ---- On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:30:37 +1100 Noel Roediger 
> <roedi...@internode.on.net <mailto:roedi...@internode.on.net>> wrote ----
> Dear Jo.
>  
> Sincere thanks from me – and I’m sure from all others re your advice on the 
> AVMed issue.
>  
> I’ve prepared a loaded  response that will put a bee up their bum but won’t 
> send until Bev wakes and vetts it tomorrow and then I’ll copy to this site.
>  
> Can you fwd. your private email address please so we can communicate off site.
>  
> Love
>  
> Noel.
>  
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 6:20 PM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March
>  
> You could simply say something like "the AOPA proposal dated 23 August 2016 
> regarding Class 2 Medical reform is supported by me" – regards Jo
>  
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Peter Champness
> Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 6:17 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Is there a generic reply which I could copy? 
>  
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Jo Pocklington <jopockling...@bigpond.com 
> <mailto:jopockling...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
> Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions are not 
> yet available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 2016 (attached), 
> which many are supporting. 
> GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on an RAMPC, 
> RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver licence requirements + 
> a visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical history form + only being eligible 
> in the absence of certain conditions - although these conditions do not 
> preclude an unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+ disqualifying 
> conditions for an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5 years, angina, 
> coronary bypass surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated diabetes, sleep 
> apnoea...  RAMPC is therefore more restrictive than a Class 2 Medical, eg a 
> healthy private pilot with a recent history of prostate cancer is ineligible 
> to obtain a RAMPC, but that pilot is unlikely to have difficulty obtaining a 
> Class 2 Medical Certificate. 
> Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au <mailto:avmed...@casa.gov.au> and should 
> include in the subject line:  'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo
>  <> 
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
> Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper
> 
> OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current discussion 
> paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).
> 
> If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a RAMPC to 
> fly gliders. You can go torecreationalflying.com 
> <http://recreationalflying.com/> to see the trouble that causes because if 
> you can't get one for a number of relatively trivial reasons you will be up 
> for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.
> 
> If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of the AOPA 
> proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get to lose all 
> bitching rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.
> 
> Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.
> 
> Mike
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