Common sense did someone say? At Bunyan (Canberra GC) we do a fair bit of wave flying. We have oxy in most of our gliders - club and private - and using it is as second nature as having a shower in the morning. We have some very knowledgeable people in the club (not only public service regulators!), including a medical practitioner who flies in the wave, a now retired FA18 pilot with 30+ years of flying fast jets, a guy who holds the Aust altitude record for gliders, many pilots who've had literally dozens of flights above FL200, and some guys who get a couple of diamond heights every year as a matter of course just for the fun of it. Many of our guys have been in the hyperbaric chambers and know full well what can happen when hypoxia sneaks up.
We regularly talk about the theory and practice of it all, and do it. For mine, when these guys talk with considerable knowledge of the risks inherent in high altitude flight, and the demonstrable benefit in terms of reactions, brainwork, and eyesight in being on oxygen anywhere above 8,000' why the hell would you WANT to fly without oxygen? It's all about risk management, and I see no point in bucking the odds. As our ex military man soberingly says, he's been to too many funerals of his mates and doesn't need to go to any more! I spent a couple of hours last Saturday between FL140 and Fl160 and don't begrudge one cent of the cost of the oxygen topup at the end of the flight. I want to be around for my grandkids (two of whom have already been up) to take me for a fly one day. So debate away to your hearts content about the regs in US vs Aus, parachuting vs gliding, variation between indiduals, the legal situation, and a whole host of other things. I'll take the oxygen every time thank you. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, fax (02) 6249 6555, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be." Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nigel Andrews Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:47 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use Hooray, some sense at last. Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd "A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics" Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **************DISCLAIMER************ The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd Munro Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2004 8:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use Hello Mike, There is another reason why Brigadier Brian Wade AM (Ret'd) and others are wrong. The reason is that it is a fundamental principle of criminal law that if there is an ambiguity, the ambiguity is interpreted in favour of the defendant. So if there were an ambiguity in a regulation about whether or not oxygen is required at a certain height, the result is that it is not required. This is a crystal-clear example of why policing should be left to people with legal training - policemen and the Courts. Club officials should not usurp that role. In our sporting clubs we need sportsmen who know the sport and can pass their knowledge and enthusiasm to others. It would be a sad day if legal training became a necessity for officials of sporting clubs, and we who belong to sporting clubs should ensure that this does not happen. Leave policing to professional policemen. Cheers, Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use At 06:45 PM 26/08/04 +0930, you wrote: > > > Brian Wade (and others) wrote: > > > Sorry but I read that as you can go up to 13000 with no oxygen in >the glider as long as you don't spend more than 30 minutes above >10000. Well I read it as meaning you can go up to 13,000 without using >oxygen, but you must have it available in the glider for use if needed. >If it's there and available, why would one not use it ....... ? > > Terry (in puzzled mode) No puzzle at all Terry. Those guys are just plain wrong. 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