Well now, I think that is how the article should be written,as if you were
at the bar after flying, because thats where the truth is, and some
bullshite aswell.
regards JR
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From: "Mark Newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT & INCIDENT REPORTING
> Roger Cox wrote:
>
> > There has been debate about recruitment or the lack there-of,
> > of new pilots. Maybe the argument that 'there are no new ways of
> > wrecking a glider, ergo let's not talk about it' ignores what
> > recruitment there is.
>
> Roger, I think you might have missed the point a bit.
>
> Your characterization of the argument is completely off-beam. A more
> accurate rendition would be, "There are no new ways of wrecking a
> glider. If we are going to talk about it, then lets do so in a productive
> way." I don't think anyone around here has advocated not talking about
> accidents.
>
> As I said earlier: There is obviously a group of people clamouring for
> this. I'd like to know what they hope to get out of it which they
> wouldn't be able to get out of well-written, well-targeted articles
> which didn't require someone getting hurt to provide the source material.
>
> Those articles would take exactly the same amount of time to write as
> an accident report would; and they could cover wider-ranging safety
> issues because they could teach lessons about accidents we haven't had
> yet; and they could be written by literally ANYBODY, instead of imposing
> upon the time of an already flat-out RTO or CTO; and they wouldn't need
> to wait until someone got killed or maimed.
>
> Yet the very same people who regularly (mundanely, boringly, take your
> pick) cry out for accident reports don't seem even remotely concerned
> about the absence of that kind of material, and they lack the modicum of
> motivation that'd be required for them to simply do it themselves.
>
> Like many other fields in life, gliding appears to have its share of
> people with not much knowledge but with very strong opinions. Giving
> people like that a drip-feed of accident data is disastrous, because
> their lack of knowledge leads to them forming some of the most
wrong-headed
> assumptions and conclusions you can possibly imagine, which they then
> proceed to spread, loudly, to anyone who will listen, to the detriment
> of the safety of us all. One needs only to peruse this single year's
> archive of this mailing list to see people who want to ban spins in
Puchaczs,
> ban spin training altogether, abolish low-level rope break training
> for aerotow, deny badge claims for gold height for pilots who don't have
> oxygen, and all kinds of other similarly "intellectually extravagant"
ideas
> which are born out of a healthy dose of ignorance coupled with the kind of
> self-righteous conviction that's almost religious in its magnitude. Like
> gliding bar-talk, only national in scope.
>
> Has anyone noticed Martin Feeg's "It Happened Recently On An Airfield"
> columns in Soaring Australia over the last year? They're brilliant!
> A couple of paragraphs, a strong safety message, and heavily dosed
> with jump-out-and-shout inspiration to /think/ about safety issues.
> We should have more of them, because they're much more useful than reading
> about an infinite procession of different aircraft at different airfields
on
> different dates flown by different pilots having precisely the same
> heavy-landing accident, which appears to be what the Robert Harts of the
> world want to see column-inches in Soaring Australia wasted on.
>
> (aside: Redmond Quinn observed that the accident report for the IS28 heavy
> landing featured on video in the safety seminar roadshow this year was
> actually written about 20 years ago and published in the GFA instructors
> manual in the section that deals with teaching final approach and
> landing...)
>
> > There is also that saying that in a lot of pursuits it is the
> > very young [inexperienced] and the very old [complacent] who get caught.
>
> Sure -- But do any of us, regardless of experience level, /need/ to read
> about someone getting hurt or killed to jolt us out of complacency?
>
> Here's a stunning suggestion for every reader: If the answer to that
> question is, "Yes," please leave the gliding movement, because you're a
> hazard to the rest of us. And I'm not just saying that for psychological
> impact, I'm saying it because it's bloody true!
>
> You ("the royal you" :-) have a responsibility to think about safety
> and integrate it into everything you're doing. If you stop doing that
> because you haven't read an accident report lately, there's something
> seriously wrong. Seriously wrong with your safety mindset, your training,
> and your airmanship. If you can't fix it you need to get out before
someone
> gets hurt.
>
> And if you're a person who thinks they don't fit that mould, but who
> thinks that /other people/ will... well, I suspect that's similar to
> those individuals who know that /they/ can view certain types
> of entertainment material without incurring enough psychological damage
> to become axe-murdering rapists, but want it banned because a poorly
> defined group of unnamed /other people/ can't. I'd challenge those
> individuals to work out what kind of evidence they're going to use to
> show that those other people exist and can't be helped in any other
> way, but only after they've read and internalized this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
> ("the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds
wholly
> unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them
to
> another.")
>
> 1,$s/accident/incident/g if it makes you feel better.
>
> - mark
> [ winning friends and influencing people since 1971 :-) ]
>
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