What about the devices the Kiwis use to go through electric fences? I've seen one on a Std Cirrus, the pilot said he'd needed it twice. It was a small device on top of the nose designed to catch wire and cut it. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality
Yes in the Netherlands i is compulsory due to very small paddock size. On 27/02/2007, at 7:41 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: > I believe it has been mandatory for a number of years in one European > county (Holland?) to have wire strike protectors fitted. > These look like mini roll cages, with wire breakers, and fit inside > the > canopy > I remember seeing a glider in Australia (Paul Matthews?) flying > with one > some years ago > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parncutt >> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 11:10 PM >> To: 'Peter Creswick'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia.' >> Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality >> >> Yes I agree that wirecutters as installed on Pawnee's for instance > would >> offer a significant safety improvement, but it is the glider > manufacturers >> that would need to be persuaded to incorporate this in their designs. >> "Good Luck"! >> >> In the mean time it would not be unreasonable to look at fence > designs, if >> only at the relatively short sections at the ends of the runway where > the >> majority of these incidents are likely to happen. >> >> Bear in mind that it is often the gliding clubs that end up > maintaining >> these sections of fencing anyway, since its their tugs that probably > cause >> the most wear and tear! >> >> John Parncutt >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Peter >> Creswick >> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 10:31 PM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality >> >> And who is going to design them, install them, pay for them, maintain > them ? >> >> What if the farmer / whoever refuses ? Are you going to force the > issue >> legally and have them "mandated" somehow ? >> Good luck. >> Even if you did, what about the case of an outlanding, with an old, > hidden, >> partial fence, with a few strands, in the middle of a field, in the > middle >> of nowhere ? >> It is the glider that has to be equipped to deal with the wire, not > the wire >> being equipped / configured to deal with the glider. >> What is required is a wire cutter arrangement like cropdusters have, > which >> would be far - far better. They have been needed for years, but > everyone >> refuses to consider them. Why ? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Parncutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" >> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:19 PM >> Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality >> >> >>> Given the amount of incidents which have occurred with aerodrome > perimeter >>> fences especially in gliding, perhaps thought should be given to > changing >>> the design of these fences to make them more forgiving. >>> >>> Possibilities may include some sort of weak link system in each wire > or >>> perhaps sprung sections which may allow the canopy to deflect the > wire. >>> >>> I'm sure there is enough ingenuity within the gliding movement to > come up >>> with some ideas to make these fences safer whilst still performing > their >>> function. >>> >>> John Parncutt >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Bruce >>> Taylor >>> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:24 PM >>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality >>> >>> Good call, Mitch. >>> >>> The only addition I would like to make is that it seems the >>> pilot/instructor >>> had very few options... he was released at low altitude without > enough >>> energy to clear the fence, and (thinking through the evidence I have >>> heard) >>> with a downburst happening somewhere behind him. This leaves him > with an >>> increasing tailwind, and if he was touching down somewhere near the > stall, >>> he is approaching the fence with no control response, in a >>> nosewheel-equipped glider. He DID try to groundloop, with no > response. >>> >>> Very tough for all, especially the instructor. >>> >>> BT. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mitchell Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality >>> >>> >>>> Fair comment, Ron, however in this case we should perhaps refrain > from >>>> any judgement (deliberate or otherwise) until a more suitable > time. I >>>> would like to offer my condolences to the family of the student > and let >>>> my good friends at LKSC know that they are in my thoughts as they > deal >>>> with the aftermath of this accident. >>>> >>>> Mitch. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25/02/2007, at 9:05 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: >>>> >>>>> Even if you have only got five feet to run before the fence YOU > MUST >>>>> initiate a ground loop. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: > 25/02/2007 >> >>> 3:16 PM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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