Reading flight manual for Grob103c III in emergency section and it says
brake off, stick full back and start ground loop 30m before fence. Ian M
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Is perhaps the groundloop technique of pushing forward on the stick and
applying full rudder inappropriate for a nosewheeel glider?
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Hi Ian
Good point. No one has experimented to establish at what speed a
Puchatek
(and perhaps many other nose-wheel gliders) lose elevator & rudder
authority. John Viney agrees we should do this experiment. If the LKSC
Puchatek is written off it would be a good opportunity to do this test
- I
have passed on the idea to the committee.
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I am not sure but believe there are certain nose wheel gliders that
are
difficult to ground loop (KRO3A just goes straight when nose wheel is
on
ground and no way can you steer it). Perhaps as such aircraft come
into the
country they could be fitted with the "dutch wire lifting bar" to
inside of
canopy as part of MAR1 at import (like pull up seat belts etc). The
dutch
have done engineering and ALL dutch gliders have same. I do know Paul
Mathews had same fitted to one of his gliders when flying around
Gulcong and
said it is easy to get to use.
Just a thought...........Ian McPhee
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> Given the amount of incidents which have occurred with aerodrome
perimeter
> fences especially in gliding, perhaps thought should be given to
changing
> the design of these fences to make them more forgiving.
> Possibilities may include some sort of weak link system in each wire
or
> perhaps sprung sections which may allow the canopy to deflect the
wire.
>
> I'm sure there is enough ingenuity within the gliding movement to
come up
> with some ideas to make these fences safer whilst still performing
their
> function.
>
> John Parncutt
>
>
>
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Bruce
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:24 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality
>
> Good call, Mitch.
>
> The only addition I would like to make is that it seems the
> pilot/instructor
> had very few options... he was released at low altitude without
enough
> energy to clear the fence, and (thinking through the evidence I have
> heard)
> with a downburst happening somewhere behind him. This leaves him
with an
> increasing tailwind, and if he was touching down somewhere near the
stall,
> he is approaching the fence with no control response, in a
> nosewheel-equipped glider. He DID try to groundloop, with no
response.
>
> Very tough for all, especially the instructor.
>
> BT.
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:48 PM
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>
>
>> Fair comment, Ron, however in this case we should perhaps refrain
from
>> any judgement (deliberate or otherwise) until a more suitable
time. I
>> would like to offer my condolences to the family of the student
and let
>> my good friends at LKSC know that they are in my thoughts as they
deal
>> with the aftermath of this accident.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
>> On 25/02/2007, at 9:05 PM, Ron Sanders wrote:
>>
>>> Even if you have only got five feet to run before the fence YOU
MUST
>>> initiate a ground loop.
>>>
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