The discussions of safer fence design and ground-looping techniques are very 
worthwhile, but if press and other reports are correct perhaps we should also 
discuss the merits of launching while downbursts are in the vicinity or on the 
strip.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Smith 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in 
Australia. 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality


  Typically it will either:

  - ride up the nose and then break through the canopy and
  then run along the canopy sides 

  - or miss the nose (because the nose is too low to collect
  the wire) and simply break through the canopy and then
  continue at through the canopy at the wires height on the
  fence posts.

  It is unfortunate that the height of the top strand (or the
  electric wire) on a typical fence is also the typical height
  of a pilots neck in a glider. 

  A simple wire cutting device mounted just inside the canopy
  would be suitable for the first type of entry. The second
  type of entry (which is probably what happened with the
  Puchatek) is a lot harder to deal with except for a steel
  tube cage inside the canopy to deflect the wires.

  The accident that I was first (bystander) on the scene of,
  the pilot was lucky and went through the fence at a sideways
  angle after a failed last second ground loop.  He caught the
  wires across his face instead, but survived to be still
  flying today.  


  > Please excuse my ignorance, but where does the wire enter
  > the glider?
  > 
  > Can it break through the perspex of the canopy?
  > Or does it slip up the nose and enter into the space
  > between the canopy  and the fuselage?
  > 
  > If the wire enters the glider through the space between
  > the canopy and  the hull, then it would only take a very
  > small cutter inside that space to  cut the wire. (Not a
  > whole 'roll cage').
  > 
  > Michael
  > 
  > 
  > > What about the devices the Kiwis use to go through
  > > electric fences? I've seen one on a Std Cirrus, the
  > > pilot said he'd needed it twice. It was a small device
  > > on top of the nose designed to catch wire and cut it. 
  > > 
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > > 
  > > Yes in the Netherlands i is compulsory due to very small
  > > paddock size. 
  > > On 27/02/2007, at 7:41 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: 
  > > 
  > > > I believe it has been mandatory for a number of years
  > > > in one European county (Holland?) to have wire strike
  > > > protectors fitted. These look like mini roll cages,
  > > > > with wire breakers, and fit inside the canopy I
  > > > remember seeing a glider in Australia (Paul Matthews?)
  > > > flying > with one some years ago  
  > 
  > > >> -----Original Message----- 
  > > >> John Parncutt Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 
  > > >> 
  > > >> In the mean time it would not be unreasonable to look
  > > > at fence  designs, if 
  > > >> only at the relatively short sections at the ends of
  > > the runway >> where 
  > > > the 
  > > >> majority of these incidents are likely to happen. 
  > > >> 
  > 
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