Alan, What a crock! Visual navigation = using visual navigation maps that have ground features and airspace boundaries on them, look out the window apply the visual navigation tolerances, remember these increase with altitude, and you will never go anywhere near airspace you must remain clear of.
Problem is there are a lot of pilots (of all disciplines) out there that if you took their GPS off them, turned them round 3 times they would be lost SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 5:11 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace Just a reminder to remember that one of the reasons for airspace penetration is not knowing the reference point for the airspace. Many use a reference point out of ERSA [NAVAID, or ARP] several km from the radar reference point. Oh and of course radii are generally in Nautical Miles, and most glider pilots are in KM. So garbage in and garbage out may cost you many points. Even though you are probably in a corner of airspace that no one else can aerodynamically get to, it is still agin the letter of legislation. Gliding was meant to be easy, then they invented GPS> SMFSLT Alan Wilson -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 3:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace Airspace Breaches and Competition Rules. In my opinion there is no excuse for breaching airspace if you're a competition pilot, the only penalty for breaches should be disqualification from the event - No repeat offenders and it sends a clear message to the remainder of the competitors. If a pilot has to enter C, D of even A class airspace due to stress of weather, declare a PAN and negotiate a clearance, how easy is that. There are a good number of people both at the GFA management level and at club level negotiating access to airspace for all GFA members; if competition directors are not seen to take breaches seriously this could provide CASA and AsA with evidence that we as a groups do not take airspace seriously and withdrawal what we have already negotiated, and not negotiate again. Do you want to be responsible for that? SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 8:28 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace At 07:09 PM 20/12/2007, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I can confirm that Joeyglide is being run in accordance with the >Australian Nationals rules, and I apologise for any suggestion that >it might not be. > >In my previous note, I was stating the default penalty. There is a >provision in the rules for the Penalties Committee to apply a more >lenient penalty in the non-competitive part of the flight, if the >breach of airspace was not to the competitive advantage of the pilot >and where there were extenuating circumstances. I cannot comment in >detail on the reasons for their decision - I can only say that they >have that option and obviously exercised it in this case. Still absurd. What part of launching on a contest flight is non competitive? Extenuating circumstances? With GPS and moving maps? Supposedly competent pilots? By allowing options the rule merely becomes a matter of someone's opinion as does the contest result. Some penalty decisions might require this to be so. Airspace in the GPS era isn't one of them and these circumstances should be minimised to the greatest extent possible. It makes life unnecessarily difficult for contest organisers. I remember a contest where the CD was very happy at the end that I won the last day by a large enough margin to win the contest and make the protest by another competitor about the penalty imposed as a result of what he did on the first day (nothing to do with me or anyone else), irrelevant. 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