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On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 8:55 AM Alanna Paloma <[email protected]> wrote: > All, > > Gorry - We are awaiting your word on the phrasing of “the [RFC3168] > variant of ECN”. Please let us know if/how this should be updated. > > Authors - We have noted Neal’s and Yuchung’s approvals on the AUTH48 > status page: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > Once we receive word from Gorry and approval from Nandita, we will move > this document forward in the publication process. > > Thank you, > Alanna Paloma > RFC Production Center > > > On Dec 11, 2025, at 9:09 AM, Yuchung Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Looks good to me. I approve the latest draft. > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 7:59 PM Neal Cardwell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Alanna, > > > > Thanks! Looks great to me. > > > > I approve of this draft posted today, December 10. > > > > Everybody else, please review and chime in. > > > > Thanks! > > neal > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 8:01 PM Alanna Paloma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Neal, > > > > The files have been updated per your request. > > > > The files have been posted here (please refresh): > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.txt > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.pdf > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.xml > > > > The relevant diff files are posted here: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-diff.html (comprehensive > diff) > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html (all AUTH48 > changes) > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-lastdiff.html (last version > to this one) > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > between last version and this) > > > > Please see the AUTH48 status page for this document here: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > > > We will await approvals from each party listed on the AUTH48 status page > below prior to moving this document forward in the publication process. > > > > Thank you, > > Alanna Paloma > > RFC Production Center > > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2025, at 3:59 PM, Neal Cardwell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alanna, > > > > > > I had 4 minor editing requests based on the December 3 version of the > text: > > > > > > --- in "4. Changes Relative to RFC 6937": > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > using PRR for cwnd reductions for [RFC3168] ECN > > > > > > OLD: > > > using PRR for cwnd reductions for ECN [RFC3168] > > > > > > NEW: > > > using PRR for cwnd reductions for the [RFC3168] variant of ECN > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO the auth48 edit to use the phrase "ECN [RFC3168]" > implies that there is only one version of ECN. However, there are at least > 3: classic [RFC3168], DCTCP [RFC8257], and L4S [RFC9331]. Here [RFC3168] > is intended as an adjective clarifying which flavor of ECN we are > discussing, not to indicate that ECN is only defined in [RFC3168]. > > > > > > I'd suggest using the "the [RFC3168] variant of ECN" phrase that is > currently in Section "11.2. Fairness". > > > > > > ---- in 6.2. Per-ACK Steps > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and other > > > PRR state to compute > > > SndCnt, a local variable indicating exactly how > > > many bytes should be sent in response to each ACK, > > > and then uses SndCnt to update cwnd > > > > > > OLD: > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and other > > > PRR state to compute > > > SndCnt, a local variable indicating exactly how > > > many bytes should be sent in response to each ACK > > > and then uses SndCnt to update cwnd > > > > > > NEW: > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and other > > > PRR state to compute > > > SndCnt, a local variable indicating exactly how > > > many bytes should be sent in response to each ACK, > > > and then uses SndCnt to update cwnd > > > > > > Rationale: the phrase "a local variable indicating exactly how many > bytes should be sent in response to each ACK" is a parenthetic or > non-restrictive clause, so AFAIK should be enclosed with commas before and > after. (Strunk & White Elements of Style rule: "Enclose parenthetic > expressions between commas".) > > > > > > --- in 8. Examples > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > This section illustrates the PRR and [RFC6675] algorithms > > > > > > OLD: > > > This section illustrates the PRR and [RFC6675] algorithm > > > > > > NEW: > > > This section illustrates the PRR and [RFC6675] algorithms > > > > > > Rationale: > > > PRR and [RFC6675] are two different algorithms. > > > > > > --- in 14.2. Informative References > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > [FACK] Mathis, M. and J. Mahdavi, "Forward Acknowledgment: > > > Refining TCP Congestion Control", ACM SIGCOMM > > > SIGCOMM1996, August 1996, > > > > > > OLD: > > > [FACK] Mathis, M. and J. Mahdavi, "Forward Acknowledgment: > > > Refining TCP Congestion Control", ACM SIGCOMM Computer > > > Communication Review, vol. 26, no. 4, pp. 281-291, > > > > > > NEW: > > > [FACK] Mathis, M. and J. Mahdavi, "Forward Acknowledgment: > > > Refining TCP Congestion Control", SIGCOMM '96: Conference > > > Proceedings on Applications, Technologies, Architectures, > > > and Protocols for Computer Communications, pp. 281-291, > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO it's very useful/important to indicate that a paper is > a SIGCOMM paper, so we should not drop the fact that the FACK paper was in > SIGCOMM '96 (the list of SIGCOMM '96 papers is here: > https://dl.acm.org/doi/proceedings/10.1145/248156 ). I'm suggesting the > "NEW" text for indicating the paper was in SIGCOMM '96 based on the fact > that [Hoe96Startup] was also in SIGCOMM '96; so I've just borrowed the > SIGCOMM '96 citation text from [Hoe96Startup], which looks like: > > > [Hoe96Startup] > > > Hoe, J., "Improving the Start-up Behavior of a Congestion > > > Control Scheme for TCP", SIGCOMM '96: Conference > > > Proceedings on Applications, Technologies, Architectures, > > > and Protocols for Computer Communications, pp. 270-280, > > > DOI 10.1145/248157.248180, August 1996, > > > <https://doi.org/10.1145/248157.248180>. > > > (The confusion arises because SIGCOMM papers can be cited in two ways: > (1) as in the SIGCOMM 'XY conference proceedings, or (2) as an issue of ACM > SIGCOMM Computer Communication Review.) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 5:14 PM Alanna Paloma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > Thank you for your approval. It’s been noted on the AUTH48 status page: > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > > > > > We will await approvals from Neal, Yuchung, and Nandita prior to > moving this document forward in the publication process. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Alanna Paloma > > > RFC Production Center > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2025, at 7:54 AM, Matt Mathis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I approve of the draft posed Dec 3rd. > > > > > > > > Everybody else, please review and chime in. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > --MM-- > > > > Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use > force to apply it to others. > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Matt Mathis (Email is best) > > > > Home & mobile: 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must call. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 12:26 PM Alanna Paloma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Neal and Gorry, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your replies. Gorry’s approval has been noted on the > AUTH48 status page: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > > > > > > > > One preliminary meta-note about process: > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html > (all AUTH48 changes) > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, AFAICT this version does not include all auth48 changes. One > change I noticed that it does not include is the following: > > > > > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > using [RFC6675] loss detection > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > latest auth48 version: > > > > > using loss detection [RFC6675] > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > ) To clarify, the -auth48diff file only highlights changes after a > document has moved into AUTH48 state. The change you noted was not > highlighted in the -auth48diff file (it's now highlighted as we have > reverted our initial edit per your request) because it was made by editors > prior to the document entering AUTH48 state. > > > > > > > > To see all edits made, including those made before and during AUTH48 > state, see this file: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-diff.html > (comprehensive diff) > > > > > > > > We have updated the files per your request. > > > > > > > > The files have been posted here (please refresh): > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.txt > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.pdf > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.html > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.xml > > > > > > > > The relevant diff files are posted here: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-diff.html > (comprehensive diff) > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html (all > AUTH48 changes) > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-lastdiff.html (last > version to this one) > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-lastrfcdiff.html > (rfcdiff between last version and this) > > > > > > > > We will await any further changes you may have and approvals from > each author prior to moving forward in the publication process. > > > > > > > > Please see the AUTH48 status page for this document here: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Alanna Paloma > > > > RFC Production Center > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2025, at 6:29 AM, Neal Cardwell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi editors and co-authors, > > > > > > > > > > I had time to review the auth48 edits this morning, and have some > proposed edits. > > > > > > > > > > One preliminary meta-note about process: > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html > (all AUTH48 changes) > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, AFAICT this version does not include all auth48 changes. One > change I noticed that it does not include is the following: > > > > > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > using [RFC6675] loss detection > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > latest auth48 version: > > > > > using loss detection [RFC6675] > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few edits I'd like to request, tweaking the edits made > during the auth48 process: > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > using [RFC6675] loss detection > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > using loss detection [RFC6675] > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > using [RFC6675] loss detection > > > > > MAY use the "pipe" algorithm as specified in [RFC6675] > > > > > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO the auth48 edit to employ the phrase "using loss > detection [RFC6675]" implies that loss detection necessarily means > [RFC6675], or is only defined in [RFC6675]. However, there are multiple > widely-deployed loss recovery algorithms (notably [RFC6675] and [RFC8985]), > and this paragraph we are specifically discussing how to adapt PRR's use > of the "inflight" quantity to both of those algorithms, and in this > sentence we are discussing how to adapt PRR's use of the "inflight" > quantity to [RFC6675] loss detection, so it's important not to imply that > loss detection is only defined in [RFC6675]. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and > other > > > > > PRR state to compute SndCnt > > > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and > other > > > > > PRR states to compute SndCnt > > > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > Finally, the sender uses DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK, and > other > > > > > PRR state to compute SndCnt > > > > > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO the auth48 edit to use "states" implies that > DeliveredData, inflight, SafeACK are names of "states" in a state machine. > However, those are the names of "state" variables representing the "state" > of the algorithm, not the names of "states" in a state machine. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > Earlier measurements (in section 6 of [RFC6675]) indicate that > > > > > [RFC6675] significantly outperforms [RFC6937] PRR > > > > > using only PRR-CRB > > > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > Earlier measurements (in Section 6 of [RFC6675]) indicate that > > > > > [RFC6675] significantly outperforms PRR [RFC6937] > > > > > using only PRR-CRB > > > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > Earlier measurements (in Section 6 of [RFC6675]) indicate that > > > > > [RFC6675] significantly outperforms the [RFC6937] version of PRR > > > > > using only PRR-CRB > > > > > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO the auth48 edit to use the phrase "outperforms PRR > [RFC6937]" (a) implies that PRR is only described by [RFC6937], and (b) > states that "[RFC6675] significantly outperforms PRR". Both implications > are incorrect. For (a), there are two versions of PRR: one in the old > [RFC6937] and one in the new [RFC9937], and we used the phrase "[RFC6937] > PRR" to clarify which version we are talking about. For (b), the new > version of PRR outperforms [RFC6675], which is why we are bothering to > standardize it. :-) Note that in this passage, we are discussing > differences between the [RFC6937] version of PRR and the new [RFC9937] > version of PRR. So in this context it is important to clarify that PRR is > *not* synonymous with [RFC6937]; there are two different versions of PRR: > original [RFC6937] and new [RFC9937]. [RFC6675] outperforms one variant of > the original [RFC6937] PRR, but not the new version of PRR in [RFC9937]. > To my mind, the suggested NEW text clarifies that this passage is referring > to the [RFC6937] PRR variant. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > rfc6937bis-21: > > > > > response to [RFC3168] ECN > > > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > response to ECN [RFC3168] > > > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > response to the [RFC3168] variant of ECN > > > > > > > > > > Rationale: IMHO the auth48 edit to use the phrase "ECN [RFC3168]" > implies that there is only one version of ECN. However, there are at least > 3: classic [RFC3168], DCTCP [RFC8257], and L4S [RFC9331]. Here [RFC3168] > is intended as an adjective clarifying which flavor of ECN we are > discussing, not to indicate that ECN is only defined in [RFC3168]. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 3:47 AM Gorry Fairhurst < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 01/12/2025 23:08, Alanna Paloma wrote: > > > > > > Hi Authors and Gorry (AD)*, > > > > > > > > > > > > *Gorry - As the AD, please review and approve the deleted text > in Section 7. > > > > > > > > > > I have now read this and this is descriptive text about the > properties. > > > > > > > > > > I APPROVE this change, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Gorry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For context, here is the authors’ explanation: > > > > > >> 6) <!-- [rfced] May we clarify "[RFC6675] 'half window of > silence'" as > > > > > >> follows? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> The [RFC6675] "half window of silence" may temporarily > > > > > >> reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not > reduce the > > > > > >> congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Perhaps: > > > > > >> The "half window of silence" that a SACK-based Conservative > Loss > > > > > >> Recovery Algorithm [RFC6675] experiences may temporarily > > > > > >> reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not > reduce the > > > > > >> congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> We want to delete the last three sentences of this paragraph. > They got garbled and don't belong here anyhow. This restores the text as > it was RFC 6937. > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> The [RFC6675] "half window of silence" may temporarily > reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not reduce the > congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. The goal of > PRR is to minimize the opportunities to lose the self clock by smoothly > controlling inflight toward the target set by the congestion control. It is > the congestion control's responsibility to avoid a full queue, not PRR. > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> (DELETED) > > > > > > > > > > > > See this diff file: > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Authors - Thank you for your replies. We have updated as > requested. > > > > > > > > > > > >> We could use some advice on keywords. Can you tell us the > keywords associated with RFC 5681 and RFC 6675? > > > > > > ) The keywords for RFCs 5681 and 6675 can be seen here: > > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/search/rfc_search_detail.php?rfc=5681&keywords=keyson > > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/search/rfc_search_detail.php?rfc=6675&keywords=keyson > > > > > > > > > > > >> 3) <!--[rfced] To have the abbreviation directly match the > expanded form, > > > > > >> may we update this text as follows? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (PRR-CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When > recovery seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (PRR- > > > > > >> SSRB), which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one > segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Perhaps: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When recovery > seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (SSRB), > > > > > >> which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yes this is good, for this paragraph only. I'm confirming that > the rest of the document will continue to use PRR-SSRB and PRR-CRB. > Correct? > > > > > > ) Yes, all other instances of “PRR-SSRB” and “PRR-CRB” will > remain as is. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > The files have been posted here (please refresh): > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.txt > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.pdf > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.html > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937.xml > > > > > > > > > > > > The relevant diff files are posted here: > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-diff.html > (comprehensive diff) > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9937-auth48diff.html > (all AUTH48 changes) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please review the document carefully as documents do not change > once published as RFCs. > > > > > > > > > > > > We will await any further changes you may have and approvals > from each author and *Gorry (AD) prior to moving forward in the publication > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see the AUTH48 status page for this document here: > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9937 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Alanna Paloma > > > > > > RFC Production Center > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Dec 1, 2025, at 11:51 AM, Matt Mathis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sorry, I missed reply-all. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Our adjustments to you edits are inline below. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 3:50 PM <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Authors, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as > necessary) > > > > > >> the following questions, which are also in the source file. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Add PRR as an official abbreviation in the title > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> <title abbrev="Proportional Rate Reduction"> Proportional Rate > Reduction</title> > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> <title abbrev="PRR"> Proportional Rate Reduction (PRR)</title> > > > > > >> Update my email address > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> <email>[email protected]</email> > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> <email>[email protected]</email> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that > appear in > > > > > >> the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. --> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> We could use some advice on keywords. Can you tell us the > keywords associated with RFC 5681 and RFC 6675? > > > > > >> Tentatively: > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> <keyword>example</keyword> > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> <keyword>loss recovery, SACK, self clock, fast retransmit, fast > recovery</keyword> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 2) <!-- [rfced] "Reno" is not used in RFC 5681, except in > titles in the > > > > > >> References section. Please review and let us know if/how this > citation > > > > > >> should be updated. Note that there are multiple occurrences of > this > > > > > >> throughout the document. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> Congestion control algorithms like Reno [RFC5681] and CUBIC > [RFC9438] > > > > > >> are built on the conceptual foundation of this self clock > process. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> No changes to the citation for Reno [RFC 5681] here or > elsewhere. Many other documents that use this citation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Reno was the genesis of modern Internet congestion control, and > as such it is the foundation of RFC 5681 and nearly all work in ICCRG, > CCWG, and much of TCPM. However, Reno was never properly described in any > documents, as a proposed standard or otherwise. If it had been, RFC 5681 > (and all of its predecessors) would almost certainly be described as > updating Reno. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 3) <!--[rfced] To have the abbreviation directly match the > expanded form, > > > > > >> may we update this text as follows? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (PRR-CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When > recovery seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (PRR- > > > > > >> SSRB), which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one > segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Perhaps: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When recovery > seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (SSRB), > > > > > >> which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yes this is good, for this paragraph only. I'm confirming that > the rest of the document will continue to use PRR-SSRB and PRR-CRB. > Correct? > > > > > >> (Changes as above) > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (PRR-CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When > recovery seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (PRR- > > > > > >> SSRB), which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one > segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> As a baseline, to be cautious when there may be > > > > > >> considerable congestion, PRR uses its Conservative > Reduction Bound > > > > > >> (CRB), which is strictly packet conserving. When recovery > seems > > > > > >> to be progressing well, PRR uses its Slow Start Reduction > Bound (SSRB), > > > > > >> which is more aggressive than PRR-CRB by at most one segment > > > > > >> per ACK. > > > > > >> 4) <!--[rfced] To avoid awkward hyphenation of an RFC citation, > may we > > > > > >> rephrase the latter part of this sentence as follows? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> Since [RFC6937] was written, PRR has also been adapted to > perform > > > > > >> multiplicative window reduction for non-loss based > congestion control > > > > > >> algorithms, such as for [RFC3168] style Explicit Congestion > > > > > >> Notification (ECN). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Perhaps: > > > > > >> Since [RFC6937] was written, PRR has also been adapted to > perform > > > > > >> multiplicative window reduction for non-loss-based > congestion control > > > > > >> algorithms, such as for Explicit Congestion Notification > (ECN) as > > > > > >> described in [RFC3168]. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> Yes this is good. As above. > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> Since [RFC6937] was written, PRR has also been adapted to > perform > > > > > >> multiplicative window reduction for non-loss based > congestion control > > > > > >> algorithms, such as for [RFC3168] style Explicit Congestion > > > > > >> Notification (ECN). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> Since [RFC6937] was written, PRR has also been adapted to > perform > > > > > >> multiplicative window reduction for non-loss-based > congestion control > > > > > >> algorithms, such as for Explicit Congestion Notification > (ECN) as > > > > > >> described in [RFC3168]. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 5) <!--[rfced] To improve readability, may we add parentheses > in this > > > > > >> sentence? Please review and let us know if thus suggested update > > > > > >> retains the intended meaning. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> In recovery without SACK, DeliveredData is estimated to be > > > > > >> 1 SMSS on receiving a duplicate ACK, and on a subsequent > partial or > > > > > >> full ACK DeliveredData is the change in SND.UNA, minus 1 > SMSS for > > > > > >> each preceding duplicate ACK. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> NO we want a different change Perhaps: > > > > > >> In recovery without SACK, DeliveredData is estimated to be > > > > > >> 1 SMSS on receiving a duplicate ACK (and the change is in > SND.UNA on > > > > > >> a subsequent partial or full ACK DeliveredData), minus 1 > SMSS for > > > > > >> each preceding duplicate ACK. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> In recovery without SACK, DeliveredData is estimated to be > > > > > >> 1 SMSS on receiving a duplicate ACK, and on a subsequent > partial or > > > > > >> full ACK DeliveredData is the change in SND.UNA, minus 1 > SMSS for > > > > > >> each preceding duplicate ACK. > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> In recovery without SACK, DeliveredData is estimated to be > > > > > >> 1 SMSS on each received duplicate ACK (i.e. SND.UNA did not > change). > > > > > >> When SND.UNA advances (i.e a full or partial ACK) > > > > > >> DeliveredData is the change in SND.UNA, minus 1 SMSS for > > > > > >> each preceding duplicate ACKs. > > > > > >> New edit, XML line 331, second paragraph of section 6.2. (This > is a revision of an rfc-editor change.) > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> (signed) change in SACK. > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> signed change in quantity of data marked SACKed in the > scoreboard. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 6) <!-- [rfced] May we clarify "[RFC6675] 'half window of > silence'" as > > > > > >> follows? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Original: > > > > > >> The [RFC6675] "half window of silence" may temporarily > > > > > >> reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not > reduce the > > > > > >> congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Perhaps: > > > > > >> The "half window of silence" that a SACK-based Conservative > Loss > > > > > >> Recovery Algorithm [RFC6675] experiences may temporarily > > > > > >> reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not > reduce the > > > > > >> congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> We want to delete the last three sentences of this paragraph. > They got garbled and don't belong here anyhow. This restores the text as > it was RFC 6937. > > > > > >> OLD: > > > > > >> The [RFC6675] "half window of silence" may temporarily > reduce queue pressure when congestion control does not reduce the > congestion window entering recovery to avoid further losses. The goal of > PRR is to minimize the opportunities to lose the self clock by smoothly > controlling inflight toward the target set by the congestion control. It is > the congestion control's responsibility to avoid a full queue, not PRR. > > > > > >> NEW: > > > > > >> (DELETED) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 7) <!--[rfced] FYI - We found free access versions of these > references in > > > > > >> the ACM Digital Library and added DOIs and URLs to these > references. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Current: > > > > > >> [Flach2016policing] > > > > > >> Flach, T., Papageorge, P., Terzis, A., Pedrosa, > L., Cheng, > > > > > >> Y., Karim, T., Katz-Bassett, E., and R. > Govindan, "An > > > > > >> Internet-Wide Analysis of Traffic Policing", > SIGCOMM '16: > > > > > >> Proceedings of the 2016 ACM SIGCOMM Conference, > pp. > > > > > >> 468-482, DOI 10.1145/2934872.2934873, August > 2016, > > > > > >> <https://doi.org/10.1145/2934872.2934873>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [Hoe96Startup] > > > > > >> Hoe, J., "Improving the Start-up Behavior of a > Congestion > > > > > >> Control Scheme for TCP", SIGCOMM '96: Conference > > > > > >> Proceedings on Applications, Technologies, > Architectures, > > > > > >> and Protocols for Computer Communications, pp. > 270-280, > > > > > >> DOI 10.1145/248157.248180, August 1996, > > > > > >> <https://doi.org/10.1145/248157.248180>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [IMC11] Dukkipati, N., Mathis, M., Cheng, Y., and M. > Ghobadi, > > > > > >> "Proportional Rate Reduction for TCP", IMC '11: > > > > > >> Proceedings of the 2011 ACM SIGCOMM Conference > on Internet > > > > > >> Measurement Conference, pp. 155-170, > > > > > >> DOI 10.1145/2068816.2068832, November 2011, > > > > > >> <https://doi.org/10.1145/2068816.2068832>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [Jacobson88] > > > > > >> Jacobson, V., "Congestion Avoidance and Control", > > > > > >> Symposium proceedings on Communications > architectures and > > > > > >> protocols (SIGCOMM '88), pp. 314-329, > > > > > >> DOI 10.1145/52325.52356, August 1988, > > > > > >> <https://doi.org/10.1145/52325.52356>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [Savage99] Savage, S., Cardwell, N., Wetherall, D., and T. > Anderson, > > > > > >> "TCP Congestion Control with a Misbehaving > Receiver", ACM > > > > > >> SIGCOMM Computer Communication Review, vol. 29, > no. 5, pp. > > > > > >> 71-78, DOI 10.1145/505696.505704, October 1999, > > > > > >> <https://doi.org/10.1145/505696.505704>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [VCC] Cronkite-Ratcliff, B., Bergman, A., Vargaftik, > S., Ravi, > > > > > >> M., McKeown, N., Abraham, I., and I. Keslassy, > > > > > >> "Virtualized Congestion Control (Extended > Version)", > > > > > >> SIGCOMM '16: Proceedings of the 2016 ACM SIGCOMM > > > > > >> Conference pp. 230-243, DOI > 10.1145/2934872.2934889, > > > > > >> August 2016, < > http://www.ee.technion.ac.il/~isaac/p/ > > > > > >> sigcomm16_vcc_extended.pdf>. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thank you, Free access is goot! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 8) <!-- [rfced] Some author comments are present in the XML. > Please confirm > > > > > >> that no updates related to these comments are outstanding. Note > that the > > > > > >> comments will be deleted prior to publication. > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> Yes, We got that. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 9) <!-- [rfced] Abbreviations > > > > > >> > > > > > >> a) FYI - We have added expansions for the following > abbreviations > > > > > >> per Section 3.6 of RFC 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). Please review > each > > > > > >> expansion in the document carefully to ensure correctness. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Content Delivery Network (CDN) > > > > > >> Forward Acknowledgment (FACK) > > > > > >> Recent Acknowledgment Tail Loss Probe (RACK-TLP) > > > > > >> Consistent use of CDN, FACK and RACK-TLP are good. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> b) Both the expansion and the acronym for the following term > are used > > > > > >> throughout the document. Would you like to update to use the > expansion upon > > > > > >> first usage and the acronym for the rest of the document? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> round-trip time (RTT) > > > > > >> -->Note that "round-trip time" is only used for the very high > level description of PRR. A round trip, as marked by an event (the arrival > of an ACK, rather than the passing of time), is correct and not abbreviated > RTT. No changes. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 10) <!--[rfced] Throughout the text, the following terminology > appears to > > > > > >> be used inconsistently. May we update each to the form on the > right? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Fast Retransmit > fast retransmit > > > > > >> limited transmit > Limited Transmit > > > > > >> --> > > > > > >> No changes please: The capitalized terms are proper names and > used to refer to the algorithms themselves. Lower case is used in running > prose to refer to packets triggered by the algorithms. e.g. the fast > retransmit is the packet triggered by the Fast Retransmit algorithm. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 11) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion > of the > > > > > >> online Style Guide < > https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language> > > > > > >> and let us know if any changes are needed. 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