On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> -1 >> >> Middle of October 2010, I used much time trying to figure out what >> LibreOffice (LO) was about. I found the site at the time almost useless in >> this regard. What I hoped to find was an explanation as to how the products >> differ in a way that matters to a user. The site was sufficiently vague that >> I finally sent a personal email to Thorsten Behrens. I formulated my >> opinions and limited understanding based on clarifications from Thorsten (to >> whom I am thankful for taking the time). >> >> I will say that I lack the time to pursue an OOo vs LibreOffice debate. At >> least for now, I will state that I believe that the products are >> sufficiently similar that documentation can be done jointly at this >> particular point in time. Now, for a few concerns: > > Maybe I can shed some light on these matters: >> >> Concern 1: >> I interpret a portion of this message to say that the LibreOffice folks >> desire no association with the OOo name. I start wondering if LibreOffice >> will port future OOo changes and if they will forge a different path >> yielding a different product (or if they will stay as a rebranded OOo with >> added value). Depending on the intent, in the near future it may not be >> possible to have a common set of documentation. > > LibreOffice right now remains very similar, but there are plans to cut > off from the OOo development completely and become a separate > products. There is a list already of differences between LibreOffice > and OpenOffice.org
Please have a look at the feature list from LibO 3.3 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibOReleaseEvents/LOPressKit/FeatureList3.3 and OOo 3.3 http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.3/ There was supposed to be a list by LibO pointing out the differences with OOo but haven't heard back from Drew. Although he did a blog with a draft of the list. http://drewjensen.typepad.com/blog/2010/12/libreoffice-33-new-features.html > >> >> Concern 2: >> If we change the name to use ODF, then (1) the name no longer contains any >> association to the products about which the documentation is written, (2) >> other products use ODF, and (3) the documentation site is not about ODF. > > I share these concerns as well. At the same time, I think we could > expand our options to third parties. > >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> I read the message below to say "we will host you if (and only if) you drop >> name association with OOo". I am against changing the name before we >> understand what OOoDev intends to do. Will OOoDev jump on the LibreOffice >> bandwagon and change their name accordingly (LoDev??)? If OOoDev intends to >> become ODFDev then that would be a more compelling reason to use the ODF >> name >> > > OOoDev will change it's name eventually, since they are really where > all the TDF is being handled. There is no TDF legally and all the > paperwork is being done from OOoDev. > > Since changing a legal name takes longer than just a domain, they will > have to stick to OOoDev, until their paperwork for a Foundation can be > establish. This usually takes a long time. > > I am not happy on having political conditions being imposed by other > groups. Noting against TDF but is just doesn't seem very neutral. My > option is just to ask for help from others. I could offer serverspace > from people that has gave us multiple VPS to host some sites. However > we are still starting up and I can't guarantee how stable these > service will be once we have a heavy site like OOoAuthors in place. > > I would however suggest to have a good description of the technical > requirements OOoAuhtors have, and put them on a call for help document > in OOoAuthors and see which emails come in Aid. Just seems the most > logical and easier task to have. > >> >> >> >> On 12/17/2010 04:02 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: >>> >>> As many of you know, we have had some problems with website downtime and >>> slow connections. Most of you don't know that Andreas, our system >>> administrator, has been having difficulty upgrading the site to Plone 4, >>> due to lack of server space and the slow, unreliable connection. Because >>> of these problems, we have been looking for alternative places to host >>> the site. Our choices are limited because most commercial hosts do not >>> accept Plone sites because of the resources they use. >>> >>> Andreas suggested the German association OOoDeV might host the site. >>> OOoDeV has now formally offered to host our website, but only if our >>> domain& site names do not include OOo or OpenOffice. (OOoDeV hosts The >>> Document Foundation/LibreOffice. I assume they are going to change their >>> name, too.) >>> >>> (Related info: Some weeks ago, we invited the LibreOffice docs team to >>> use our website. They have not accepted this offer (in part because of >>> the site name), but the possibility exists for them or other related >>> documentation groups to do so. A minor name change would make this >>> arrangement more attractive.) >>> >>> I propose to change the domain and site names of OOoAuthors to the more >>> generic ODFAuthors, where ODF = OpenDocument Format. I have already >>> registered the domain name to prevent anyone else from grabbing it. >>> >>> I also propose to accept the offer from OOoDeV to host the site. This >>> will allow Andreas and others to administer it more efficiently. >>> >>> Please respond to this note with +1 or discussion about the proposals. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >> >> -- >> Andrew Pitonyak >> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt >> Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > OpenOffice.org Español > http://es.openoffice.org > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
