On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:50, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Besides, are these other unhealthy development communities being > proposed for top level project?
It is proposed that all jakarta projects will eventually move out in time. > > Moving out of Avalon would remove many of the constraints that are > > present and would make it much easier for phoenix to attract a larger > > community in such an environment. > > Uh, yeah, route around constraints instead of working toward creating > consensus and fix them. Actually the constraints come from above - the board (or at least Sam?) wants to see that projects flatten permissions and privs. So when you nominate someone for the work they are doing on phoenix then you nominate for the whole of Avalon and vice versa. A few times in the past people have pointed out that they feel uncomfortable voting on people that they never interact with or have seen in action. Some avalon committers are not active on avalon-dev, others are not active on phoenix-dev. The most interesting anecdote is that at least one phoenix committer got nominated and voted in on avalon-dev without knowing about it because he didn't subscribe to that list. There have also been a couple of times in the past (and one currently) where I want to nominate someone because of the contributions they have made to the phoenix based parts in Avalon. However they have not necessarily shown any awareness or want to contribute to Avalon as a whole. One person in particular had a fairly negative view of the rest of Avalon but liked phoenix. If these people were nominated it would definetly be good for phoenix but may not be good from Avalons point of view. > What a constructive way to create an open and healthy community that can > stand diversity and improve on it. I am not sure that sarcasm is needed here. I thought you had come back to "fix" avalon and sarcasm is not a very good way to do it. > > The only reason I have discouraged such a move in the past is because I > > think that keeping it close to Avalon is because it would hopefully get > > Avalon more exposure. > > funny, I feel the exact opposite. Let me remind you that you have not been active in a constructive way in Avalon for a long time. -- Cheers, Peter Donald *------------------------------------------------------* | An expert is someone who knows everything about the | | topic except for its place in the world. | *------------------------------------------------------* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
