*I have a nephew-aunt marriage in my family tree. One of my great great grand fathers married an aunt about 20 years older than he was (for inheritance reasons I would bet). I would really like to know the story behind that. After he died he married my great great grandmother. * *John Vasconcelos .*
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM, <yukonang...@aol.com> wrote: > ** > I keep reading about cousins marring, but are there any recorded uncle and > niece marriage. I know this happened, at least in my family. I could not > believe it when I first found this. My great grandfather, gave his daughter > to his brother when she was 18. I thought it was odd that her maiden name > was not on license. While we may not all be super intelligent we got by. As > far as I know there were no great deformities or retardation from this and > the line lives into their late 80's to 90's, I am the only one with any > defect and that is in my heart. So to say I was amazed to learn this news I > was not totally shocked, just really got me interested in my Azorean roots. > > In a message dated 5/22/2013 3:50:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > p...@dholmes.com writes: > > First cousins who married is nothing surprising for the Azores. My > grandmother's parents were first cousins from Sao Roque do Pico. > And like Nancy, I have numerous ancestors who married cousins, both from > Pico and not so many, but also in Terceira. > > What surprised me was seeing these double first cousins, as Cheri tells us > they are called. I might have simply forgotten, but I am not sure I ever > saw it before. > > In fact, I look very carefully at every marriage record and hope they were > cousins. There are numerous times I have found older ancestors of my own, > not to mention for others, based on this fact. > > I believe I mentioned this many years ago on the old Azores List on > Rootsweb, but first cousins having children can have no visible bad results > in children. > My grandmother, daughter of first cousins, lived to 101. Her brother lived > into his 90s. Another brother was in his 80s, I believe. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree > From: nancy jean baptiste <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> > Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm > To: azores group <azores@googlegroups.com> > > My Furtado Cardoso great grandparents were first cousins on Pico....their > line is FILLED with cousin marriages....over and over through the > generations. While there are no obvious problems from this I suspect that > things like diabetes and heart disease are increased in these close lines. > their daughter married a man whose parents were from Sao Jorge and Santa > Maria....their son, my father married my mom whose complete line is from > Sao Jorge......I've found many surnames between my mom's Sao Jorge line and > my dad's fathers Sao Jorge line......cousins? Maybe distant ones....I don't > know. > > I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease > found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of > inbreeding. Sometimes things are ok....sometimes not. > > Nancy Jean > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:42:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree > From: gfsjo...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Doug, > Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I > have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are > good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my > father's side that married. One of their children married the child of > another first cousin of mine making them second cousins who married. This > couple had 4 children all of whom are college graduates. One of these four > children is now a professor at Boston University. > John Vasconcelos > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote: > > I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and > took another look. > My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I > never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity. > But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity. > > Well, my second look proved important because I had missed an important > word "duplicado" (duplicate). > > In case you never knew, this means not only they were first cousins, but > first cousins in two different ways. > If you think about it, that means they each shared all four of their > grandparents. They had no ancestors other than what they shared. > Talk about in-breeding. > > Who was this couple? It was the Capitão-mor of Angra. The highest military > rank available. > His name was Manuel Homem da Costa e Noronha Ponce de Leão. > > Find him in any Terceira nobility book to see his illustrious ancestry. > > One might wonder whether their children were born healthy. Well, I don't > know all the facts yet, but I do know they had 10 children. > Three possibly died young - at least I haven't yet noticed them listed as > adults at marriage or as godparents. > A few seemed to have average life spans of at least 60 years. Not yet > sure of the rest. > > I do know they have many descendants today, including some of my cousins. > > Just think how this combined DNA might affect the Family Finder results. > > I just thought it was interesting. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > -- > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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